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It's extremely common for there to be human shit in the train cars, and lunatics going nuts. It's absolutely nothing like Japan.

mmooss 6mo ago
> It's extremely common for there to be human shit in the train cars, and lunatics going nuts Where does that come from? Not from your experience. You've never been on NY subways, clearly. I've never seen feces - and anyway, how could you tell if it's from a dog? Did you examine it? Take it home and test it? It's one of the stories that maybe is slightly plausible, and which yields such strong disgust that rationality is overwhelmed and it makes a sensation - perfectly constructed misinformation or urban myth. Like waking up in a bathtub with a kidney missing. 'Lunatics' is such a loaded (and hateful) word you'll have to specify what you mean, but the occasional person talking to themself is harmless and completely uninterested in you (thus the conversation with themself) - I have never had any problem with such people on public transit or elsewhere. They are the most vulnerable people and compassion is the appropriate response. As I wrote above, the stories are nonsense and it's induced fear.
- superdisk 6mo ago
  I actually am speaking from experience, I saw both of those things my first week in New York. It's really not uncommon, I find it hard to believe that you've never run into shit/barf, usually when a car pulls up that has nobody in it, that's what's in there. And this is all to say nothing about the decrepit state of the stations and cars themselves. I've also been to Japan and experienced their trains. It's in such a different league that it's almost comedy.
  - OneDeuxTriSeiGo 6mo ago
    > It's really not uncommon, I find it hard to believe that you've never run into shit/barf, usually when a car pulls up that has nobody in it, that's what's in there. NGL this isn't surprising on Japanese trains either. Especially around last train. It's not super common but you see it from time to time and you just use a different car and report it to the staff next time you see someone.
  - tuna74 6mo ago
    Barf and shit are two very different things.
- rendang 6mo ago
  I lived in NYC for many years. Bodily fluids and liquid left on seats, litter, gag-inducing smelly people, people having episodes and screaming, all common enough to see on a weekly or monthly basis as a daily commuter. I have not been to Japan but I can't imagine they have the same level of antisocial behavior
  - mmooss 6mo ago
    > weekly or monthly basis So not "extremely common" as the commenter upthread said. > liquid left on seats As in, something spilled? > litter Lol. Only on a weekly or monthly basis? > gag-inducing smelly people I think some people are looking to be judgmental. > antisocial behavior That's taking it pretty far; it's easy to ignore these things which are almost always harmless - none have ever affected my life. Maybe being judgmental and (for some) hateful is the real and dangerous antisocial behavior - the consequences have had real and awful consequences for many.
    - superdisk 6mo ago
      You can plug your ears and accept riding run-down trains full of shit, litter, puke, and threatening mentally ill people, in the name of not being "hateful," or as a society you can choose to have dignity and not put up with that.
      - mmooss 6mo ago
        Now the personal attacks; I'd rather ride with the person who talks to themself than the person telling me what I must think (or else I lack dignity!) - which of course is what they think. > not put up with that That's a bit controlling, insisting the world and other people must be your way. Freedom means something very different. No wonder you don't like NY.

mmooss 6mo ago

> It's extremely common for there to be human shit in the train cars, and lunatics going nuts Where does that come from? Not from your experience. You've never been on NY subways, clearly. I've never seen feces - and anyway, how could you tell if it's from a dog? Did you examine it? Take it home and test it? It's one of the stories that maybe is slightly plausible, and which yields such strong disgust that rationality is overwhelmed and it makes a sensation - perfectly constructed misinformation or urban myth. Like waking up in a bathtub with a kidney missing. 'Lunatics' is such a loaded (and hateful) word you'll have to specify what you mean, but the occasional person talking to themself is harmless and completely uninterested in you (thus the conversation with themself) - I have never had any problem with such people on public transit or elsewhere. They are the most vulnerable people and compassion is the appropriate response. As I wrote above, the stories are nonsense and it's induced fear.

superdisk 6mo ago
I actually am speaking from experience, I saw both of those things my first week in New York. It's really not uncommon, I find it hard to believe that you've never run into shit/barf, usually when a car pulls up that has nobody in it, that's what's in there. And this is all to say nothing about the decrepit state of the stations and cars themselves. I've also been to Japan and experienced their trains. It's in such a different league that it's almost comedy.
- OneDeuxTriSeiGo 6mo ago
  > It's really not uncommon, I find it hard to believe that you've never run into shit/barf, usually when a car pulls up that has nobody in it, that's what's in there. NGL this isn't surprising on Japanese trains either. Especially around last train. It's not super common but you see it from time to time and you just use a different car and report it to the staff next time you see someone.
- tuna74 6mo ago
  Barf and shit are two very different things.
rendang 6mo ago
I lived in NYC for many years. Bodily fluids and liquid left on seats, litter, gag-inducing smelly people, people having episodes and screaming, all common enough to see on a weekly or monthly basis as a daily commuter. I have not been to Japan but I can't imagine they have the same level of antisocial behavior
- mmooss 6mo ago
  > weekly or monthly basis So not "extremely common" as the commenter upthread said. > liquid left on seats As in, something spilled? > litter Lol. Only on a weekly or monthly basis? > gag-inducing smelly people I think some people are looking to be judgmental. > antisocial behavior That's taking it pretty far; it's easy to ignore these things which are almost always harmless - none have ever affected my life. Maybe being judgmental and (for some) hateful is the real and dangerous antisocial behavior - the consequences have had real and awful consequences for many.
  - superdisk 6mo ago
    You can plug your ears and accept riding run-down trains full of shit, litter, puke, and threatening mentally ill people, in the name of not being "hateful," or as a society you can choose to have dignity and not put up with that.
    - mmooss 6mo ago
      Now the personal attacks; I'd rather ride with the person who talks to themself than the person telling me what I must think (or else I lack dignity!) - which of course is what they think. > not put up with that That's a bit controlling, insisting the world and other people must be your way. Freedom means something very different. No wonder you don't like NY.