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How so?

by Retr0id 7mo ago

How so?

collabs 7mo ago
Search iPhone or app store on this website. Read the comments.
- fhdkweig 7mo ago
  You will have to be way more specific. Every time I see a post bringing up the topic of sideloading (like this one), it is a complaint that either another product is locked down or Google itself is trying to lock everything down.
  - bigyabai 7mo ago
    Look at the flippant dismissal in these threads (follow the discussions - don't just scroll past the parent comments). There's a shocking amount of disagreement: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21210678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21210678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28561941 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28561941 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24146987 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24146987 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43421740 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43421740 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29167948 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29167948 Here's a few of the worst-aged comments, from a glance: Absolutely no need to wail and rant about Apple and their App Store practices constantly. Just use Android. You don't hear about 14 million iPhones being infected by malware But this is the argument with the cookie banners again, isn't it?
    - Tanoc 7mo ago
      There's a reason Louis Rossman constantly berates his audience for having the attitude of "You fucking moron, you should've gotten [insert thing here]." He calls it elitism because it's not about commiserating and working to find a solution, it's about putting yourself above someone else for having made the "correct" decision on which multi-billion dollar corporation's fishhooks you decided to drag your skin over.
- Retr0id 7mo ago
  People like their iPhones but I'd describe the prevailing sentiment towards app stores as "critical".
kcb 7mo ago
We can't let people install the applications they choose because my grandma. Is a pretty prevailing opinion
- mschuster91 7mo ago
  ... and one that has quite the merit. A few hours worth of watching Scammer Payback will do that to anyone. The thing is, wide parts of the population are extremely IT illiterate. The governments didn't act to protect them (say, by threatening the host countries of the scammers aka India in the case of the US or Turkey/Bulgaria/Romania in the case of Europe), so private companies had no other choice. And hell even the best of us like Brian Krebs can fall victim to attacks [1]. I'm really out of ideas how we can reconcile the needs of the 99% vs the needs of the 1% without making life hell for the other group. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/security-journalist-brian-krebs-paypal-account-hacked-isis-2015-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/security-journalist-brian-kr...
  - spwa4 7mo ago
    ... of course, the EU has the power to get the banks to block those money transfers. Hell, central banks have to be involved in those scams (hopefully/probably unaware). But they CAN shut it down, HARD. They're not doing that, at all. > so private companies had no other choice. Because Microsoft has demonstrated how it's done on their platforms? Obviously governments, EU or otherwise, have quite serious tolerance for scams.
- iamnothere 7mo ago
  Just because an opinion is common doesn’t make it prevailing. Yes there are many commenters here who say that, but I bet if we could somehow take a poll they would not be the majority. I don’t know when people started expecting everyone on a given site to share the same opinion, but it is tiring.
  - bigyabai 7mo ago
    Of course it didn't prevail. We live in an age where Russia and China demand VPNs get removed from the App Store. The US Government removed ICEBlock from all mobile storefronts. The worst-case scenario is staring us right in the face. It's downright appalling that HN entertained these arguments against sideloading. No self-respecting software engineer can look at the centralized architecture of a billion-dollar software business and surmise that it wouldn't be used against them. The detractors against sideloading deliberately (or foolishly) ignored an outsized, glaringly obvious threat to their personal freedoms that was repeatedly emphasized by their opposition. Oppression, censorship and surveillance are HN's just deserts.
gdulli 7mo ago
There's lots of comments here where people promote trading the freedom of installing arbitrary code for the security of the app store keeping them safe.
redserk 7mo ago
I’d happily wager any amount of money I have access to that the people actually doing the implementation of these things are among the userbase. Someone has to write the code and I doubt many people would quit their jobs over it.
- Retr0id 7mo ago
  By that logic just about anything the tech industry does could be attributed to HN
surgical_fire 7mo ago
A lot of imbeciles white knighting for Apple when EU regulations threatened to break their walled garden.

How so?

by Retr0id 7mo ago

How so?

collabs 7mo ago

Search iPhone or app store on this website. Read the comments.

fhdkweig 7mo ago
You will have to be way more specific. Every time I see a post bringing up the topic of sideloading (like this one), it is a complaint that either another product is locked down or Google itself is trying to lock everything down.
- bigyabai 7mo ago
  Look at the flippant dismissal in these threads (follow the discussions - don't just scroll past the parent comments). There's a shocking amount of disagreement: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21210678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21210678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28561941 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28561941 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24146987 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24146987 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43421740 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43421740 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29167948 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29167948 Here's a few of the worst-aged comments, from a glance: Absolutely no need to wail and rant about Apple and their App Store practices constantly. Just use Android. You don't hear about 14 million iPhones being infected by malware But this is the argument with the cookie banners again, isn't it?
  - Tanoc 7mo ago
    There's a reason Louis Rossman constantly berates his audience for having the attitude of "You fucking moron, you should've gotten [insert thing here]." He calls it elitism because it's not about commiserating and working to find a solution, it's about putting yourself above someone else for having made the "correct" decision on which multi-billion dollar corporation's fishhooks you decided to drag your skin over.
Retr0id 7mo ago
People like their iPhones but I'd describe the prevailing sentiment towards app stores as "critical".

kcb 7mo ago

We can't let people install the applications they choose because my grandma. Is a pretty prevailing opinion

mschuster91 7mo ago
... and one that has quite the merit. A few hours worth of watching Scammer Payback will do that to anyone. The thing is, wide parts of the population are extremely IT illiterate. The governments didn't act to protect them (say, by threatening the host countries of the scammers aka India in the case of the US or Turkey/Bulgaria/Romania in the case of Europe), so private companies had no other choice. And hell even the best of us like Brian Krebs can fall victim to attacks [1]. I'm really out of ideas how we can reconcile the needs of the 99% vs the needs of the 1% without making life hell for the other group. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/security-journalist-brian-krebs-paypal-account-hacked-isis-2015-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/security-journalist-brian-kr...
- spwa4 7mo ago
  ... of course, the EU has the power to get the banks to block those money transfers. Hell, central banks have to be involved in those scams (hopefully/probably unaware). But they CAN shut it down, HARD. They're not doing that, at all. > so private companies had no other choice. Because Microsoft has demonstrated how it's done on their platforms? Obviously governments, EU or otherwise, have quite serious tolerance for scams.
iamnothere 7mo ago
Just because an opinion is common doesn’t make it prevailing. Yes there are many commenters here who say that, but I bet if we could somehow take a poll they would not be the majority. I don’t know when people started expecting everyone on a given site to share the same opinion, but it is tiring.
- bigyabai 7mo ago
  Of course it didn't prevail. We live in an age where Russia and China demand VPNs get removed from the App Store. The US Government removed ICEBlock from all mobile storefronts. The worst-case scenario is staring us right in the face. It's downright appalling that HN entertained these arguments against sideloading. No self-respecting software engineer can look at the centralized architecture of a billion-dollar software business and surmise that it wouldn't be used against them. The detractors against sideloading deliberately (or foolishly) ignored an outsized, glaringly obvious threat to their personal freedoms that was repeatedly emphasized by their opposition. Oppression, censorship and surveillance are HN's just deserts.

gdulli 7mo ago

There's lots of comments here where people promote trading the freedom of installing arbitrary code for the security of the app store keeping them safe.

redserk 7mo ago

I’d happily wager any amount of money I have access to that the people actually doing the implementation of these things are among the userbase. Someone has to write the code and I doubt many people would quit their jobs over it.

Retr0id 7mo ago
By that logic just about anything the tech industry does could be attributed to HN

surgical_fire 7mo ago

A lot of imbeciles white knighting for Apple when EU regulations threatened to break their walled garden.