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Flock Condemns False Child Predator Allegations, Yet Calls Critics Terrorists
- trekkie99 6mo ago> “Accusing someone of spying on children is not a policy disagreement; it is a life-altering allegation.” - flock “life altering”? Oh so like a women and her kids being held at gun point while face down on the hot tarmac of a parking lot cause your stupid ai cameras got the wrong car.
- Forgeties79 6mo agoI don’t know why they don’t like being accused of spying on children when they seem to be doing everything they can to spy on children.
- iAMkenough 6mo agoPretty amazing they’re framing it as an “accusation,” when there’s access logs obtained via FOIA request that prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they were spying on children.
- frankharv 6mo agoWhats worse is the town has snubbed its residents: https://www.axios.com/local/atlanta/2026/04/17/dunwoody-flock-license-plate-reader-agreement https://www.axios.com/local/atlanta/2026/04/17/dunwoody-floc... How did a Jewish Community Center end up allowing FLOCK to access its security cameras? Pool and Gymnastics seem like sensitive places unless PEDO.
- jfengel 6mo agoI hate to say it, but Jewish organizations get threats all the time. Just yesterday I was at a temple that removed its "reserved for Rabbi" parking space, because he had been threatened and didn't want to make identification easier. An explanation rather than an excuse. But it's not entirely surprising that they would sign up for a service that might help them catch offenders.
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- rationalist 6mo ago> the Jewish nation You can just say Israel. Unless you're trying to imply all Jewish people. You do not have to be Jewish to be a citizen of Israel - there are even Muslim citizens.
- jfengel 6mo agoIt's pretty clear that he says Jews and means Jews. Including me. I don't approve of the current government of Israel, and the many Israelis who support it. But that does not change the fact that the target on my back predates 1948 and has nothing to do with anything going on today.
- rationalist 6mo agoYep, the Jewish people being used as scapegoats for political issues dates back a couple millennia. Once a person or group is singled out, it became easy for others to use that prejudice for their own ends. Just ask anyone who has ever been bullied. See also: Muslims in the U.S. in 2001 who were treated unfairly and had nothing to do with 9/11. (I flagged their comment because I think it is antisemitic, but the HN Guidelines say we have to assume good faith.)
- surgical_fire 6mo ago> there are even Muslim citizens. Second class citizens within an Apartheid state and being targeted for genocide, but still citizens.
- rationalist 6mo agoWhich goes to show that not everyone supports what their politicians do - certainly not a whole ethnic or religious group.
- retired 6mo agoHappy to life in a country where AI cameras are not a thing.
- realo 6mo agoYes... me too. It is called a democratic country, where citizens value the environment created around them by their government. That is NOT what the USA is, at the moment. Very happy not to live there, or go there in any capacity.
- nslsm 6mo agoYes, in his texts Cleisthenes was pretty clear that AI cameras weren't acceptable in a democracy.
- freedomben 6mo agoA lot of people seem to attribute voter decisions they don't like with != democracy. I don't think people realize that democracies can also be surveillance police state dystopias if that's what the people vote for. It doesn't make it less of a democracy
- nslsm 6mo agoIt’s a democracy when people vote for what I want.
- xx_ns 6mo agoI'm not from the US, so I hope you excuse my ignorance, but who exactly voted for mass surveillance or AI cameras?
- GaryBluto 6mo agoNo Democracy has voters vote on every position, they elect representatives who act on a number of policies and aims.
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- prophesi 6mo agoWhether or not Flock employees are child predators or not, the crux of the issue lies in the third parties Flock allows access to these cameras. For a link to their actual blog post where they make this comment: https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/understanding-flocks-testing-and-development-program#a-final-word https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/understanding-flocks-testin... (The terrorist allegations are from an interview December of last year https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46357850 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46357850 )
- cyanydeez 6mo agoI don't think third party access matters in the reason it's being scrutinized. Flock is the tip of the commercial security state offloaded by the government to it can "sanewash" it as a input into government surveillance. I don't care who operates flock; it's being used to do government surveillance at scale to avoid privacy laws.
- sieabahlpark 6mo ago[dead]
- prophesi 6mo agoThe government is a third-party as well. Leveraging Flock to skirt privacy laws is two sides of the same coin; commercial entities are doing this too.
- cyanydeez 6mo agoSo, that's an interesting semantic. I think we're often dealing with the same philsophical argument about the FBI 'finding" terrorists versus 'inciting' terrorists via entrapment. I'd argue Flock doesn't exist if the government for private surveillance didn't exist.
- prophesi 6mo agoI'd agree with that to an extent. The USA is in a corporatocracy, so I'd argue it's the private corporate entities lobbying for the government to utilize their private surveillance. In general I try not to grant conspiratorial competency which could be better explained by the exchange of money.