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America has never been that. With everyone having access to apps like TikTok, the brainwashing stopped working as well and people can see that it isn't.

JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
> with everyone having access to apps like TikTok, the brainwashing stopped The ad-powered social media addiction stopped brainwashing?
- direwolf20 6mo ago
  TikTok was a Chinese app that had no qualms against showing Americans what their country does.
  - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
    > TikTok was a Chinese app that had no qualms against shooting Americans what their country does If one wanted deeply pessimistic takes on America and Americans, there has been a media market for that since at least the advent of cable news. Mistaking TikTok, one expression of a phenomenon, for the general trend is mistaking a tree for a forest.
    - iamnothere 6mo ago
      There has historically been a lot of US-critical content manufactured by the US, which normally deflects criticism towards individual failings, external enemies, or surrogate political effigies. A few examples: Falling Down, Bulworth, American Beauty, all the other 90s/00s media critical of suburbia, 24, The Daily Show. Most of these are left-coded, I’m not as familiar with the right-coded stuff (I usually tuned it out) but from what I can tell it’s usually aimed against foreigners and weak/effiminate liberals. 2010s/20s race activism made “white people” into the effigy for the first time, but that’s still a deflection. Pre-sale TikTok was the first time that a mirror was held up to US politics from a global perspective, where the masses could get a less fitered and channeled understanding of how they are seen by the world. (Reddit provided this previously but it has fewer users and less impact.) As much as I hate TikTok and short videos, it had a big impact. There’s a reason that they forced the sale. Domestic control of mass media consumption is the primary method by which public opinion is shaped within the US.
      - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
        > which normally deflects criticism towards individual failings, external enemies, or surrogate political effigies And next to that is the ever-profitable imperialist/capitalist/inherently-racist pigs content. > the first time that a mirror was held up to US politics from a global perspective, where the masses could get a less fitered and channeled understanding of how they are seen by the world This was happening simultaneously on other tech platforms. Moderation varied. But I think a lot of people are mixing up the tail and the dog in terms of which way causation flowed.
    - keybored 6mo ago
      Cable News America-criticism? Is that when a gaggle of millionaires complain about either the racists in Middle America/how liberals smell like Europeans? Then someone blurts out, Dangit, We’re Americans, We’ve been slipping these pasts five minutes at being the bravest and most freedom-loving people, God Bless. To roaring or prompted applause.
  - swed420 6mo ago
    Right, but then TT control was transferred to the US, and overwriting any lingering memories with Approved Propaganda is trivial and undoubtedly happening already.
forgetfreeman 6mo ago
America has absolutely been all of that and more within living memory. The problem is it's getting to the point where you need to be pushing 50 to remember a time when this was the case.

JumpCrisscross 6mo ago

> with everyone having access to apps like TikTok, the brainwashing stopped The ad-powered social media addiction stopped brainwashing?

direwolf20 6mo ago
TikTok was a Chinese app that had no qualms against showing Americans what their country does.
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
  > TikTok was a Chinese app that had no qualms against shooting Americans what their country does If one wanted deeply pessimistic takes on America and Americans, there has been a media market for that since at least the advent of cable news. Mistaking TikTok, one expression of a phenomenon, for the general trend is mistaking a tree for a forest.
  - iamnothere 6mo ago
    There has historically been a lot of US-critical content manufactured by the US, which normally deflects criticism towards individual failings, external enemies, or surrogate political effigies. A few examples: Falling Down, Bulworth, American Beauty, all the other 90s/00s media critical of suburbia, 24, The Daily Show. Most of these are left-coded, I’m not as familiar with the right-coded stuff (I usually tuned it out) but from what I can tell it’s usually aimed against foreigners and weak/effiminate liberals. 2010s/20s race activism made “white people” into the effigy for the first time, but that’s still a deflection. Pre-sale TikTok was the first time that a mirror was held up to US politics from a global perspective, where the masses could get a less fitered and channeled understanding of how they are seen by the world. (Reddit provided this previously but it has fewer users and less impact.) As much as I hate TikTok and short videos, it had a big impact. There’s a reason that they forced the sale. Domestic control of mass media consumption is the primary method by which public opinion is shaped within the US.
    - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
      > which normally deflects criticism towards individual failings, external enemies, or surrogate political effigies And next to that is the ever-profitable imperialist/capitalist/inherently-racist pigs content. > the first time that a mirror was held up to US politics from a global perspective, where the masses could get a less fitered and channeled understanding of how they are seen by the world This was happening simultaneously on other tech platforms. Moderation varied. But I think a lot of people are mixing up the tail and the dog in terms of which way causation flowed.
  - keybored 6mo ago
    Cable News America-criticism? Is that when a gaggle of millionaires complain about either the racists in Middle America/how liberals smell like Europeans? Then someone blurts out, Dangit, We’re Americans, We’ve been slipping these pasts five minutes at being the bravest and most freedom-loving people, God Bless. To roaring or prompted applause.
- swed420 6mo ago
  Right, but then TT control was transferred to the US, and overwriting any lingering memories with Approved Propaganda is trivial and undoubtedly happening already.

forgetfreeman 6mo ago

America has absolutely been all of that and more within living memory. The problem is it's getting to the point where you need to be pushing 50 to remember a time when this was the case.