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Here is the website where you (as a European) can gather and hopefully help provide more weight to the matter if you were among the ones that were promised some

Here is the website where you (as a European) can gather and hopefully help provide more weight to the matter if you were among the ones that were promised something you're not gonna receive: https://hw3claim.nl/ https://hw3claim.nl/ It's run by the person mentioned in the article, and unsurprisingly the domain is Dutch, but seems the same thing will apply in lots of countries if FSD rolls out there too, not just Netherlands.

codechicago277 7mo ago
Maybe Elon can argue that no reasonable person would have taken his FSD promises seriously.
- laweijfmvo 7mo ago
  it worked for fox news!
  - SV_BubbleTime 7mo ago
    And MSNBC in court.
    - daveguy 7mo ago
      Thank Fox for paving the way for inserting your opinion in news. Did you not know that Fox did it in court first?
      - SV_BubbleTime 7mo ago
        I offered no opinion.
        daveguy 7mo ago
        I wasn't talking about anything related to your opinions. I was pointing out that Fox had to claim "entertainment" in court for their opinion commentators long before MSNBC. Because you disingenuously implied that MSNBC was somehow the opinion news that had to admit in court their coverage included opinions. In case you forgot you replied to "It worked for fox news [claiming opinion]" with "And MSNBC in court." Since you clearly misread or purposely misconstrued my statement, let me rephrase: "Thank Fox for paving the way for inserting ones opinion in news. Did you not know that Fox had to do it in court first?"
        VertanaNinjai 7mo ago
        You seem to be waging a war of words with someone who merely said “also these guys did it too”.
        daveguy 7mo ago
        You seem to be fair and balanced, just like your buddy.
- Veserv 7mo ago
  Their lawyers already did that and got it ruled that Tesla’s statements are unbelievable lies and thus Tesla is not liable for deceiving customers or the public. https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/california/candce/3:2023cv00869/408922/77/ https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/califor... On page 16, the judge states that the defendants, Tesla, argued: “Defendants also assert that several Safety Statements are corporate puffery. For example, statements that safety is “paramount” (FAC ¶ 325), Tesla cars are “absurdly safe” (id.), autopilot is “superhuman” (FAC ¶ 337), and “we want to get to as close to perfection as possible” (FAC ¶ 363). Mot. at 19.”
  - WA 7mo ago
    Not a lawyer, but pretty sure shit like that doesn’t fly in the EU.

codechicago277 7mo ago

Maybe Elon can argue that no reasonable person would have taken his FSD promises seriously.

laweijfmvo 7mo ago
it worked for fox news!
- SV_BubbleTime 7mo ago
  And MSNBC in court.
  - daveguy 7mo ago
    Thank Fox for paving the way for inserting your opinion in news. Did you not know that Fox did it in court first?
    - SV_BubbleTime 7mo ago
      I offered no opinion.
      - daveguy 7mo ago
        I wasn't talking about anything related to your opinions. I was pointing out that Fox had to claim "entertainment" in court for their opinion commentators long before MSNBC. Because you disingenuously implied that MSNBC was somehow the opinion news that had to admit in court their coverage included opinions. In case you forgot you replied to "It worked for fox news [claiming opinion]" with "And MSNBC in court." Since you clearly misread or purposely misconstrued my statement, let me rephrase: "Thank Fox for paving the way for inserting ones opinion in news. Did you not know that Fox had to do it in court first?"
        VertanaNinjai 7mo ago
        You seem to be waging a war of words with someone who merely said “also these guys did it too”.
        daveguy 7mo ago
        You seem to be fair and balanced, just like your buddy.
Veserv 7mo ago
Their lawyers already did that and got it ruled that Tesla’s statements are unbelievable lies and thus Tesla is not liable for deceiving customers or the public. https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/california/candce/3:2023cv00869/408922/77/ https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/califor... On page 16, the judge states that the defendants, Tesla, argued: “Defendants also assert that several Safety Statements are corporate puffery. For example, statements that safety is “paramount” (FAC ¶ 325), Tesla cars are “absurdly safe” (id.), autopilot is “superhuman” (FAC ¶ 337), and “we want to get to as close to perfection as possible” (FAC ¶ 363). Mot. at 19.”
- WA 7mo ago
  Not a lawyer, but pretty sure shit like that doesn’t fly in the EU.