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Barely touching the wheel is a qualitatively different experience than never touching the wheel. HW4 Tesla owners have gone over 10,000 miles without intervenin

by ggreer 6mo ago

Barely touching the wheel is a qualitatively different experience than never touching the wheel. HW4 Tesla owners have gone over 10,000 miles without intervening, including a cross-country trip.[1] The car even finds charging/parking spots and parks on its own. The only equivalent I’ve experienced is Waymo, and you can’t buy a Waymo. 1. https://www.tesla.com/customer-stories/cross-country-trip-full-self-driving-supervised https://www.tesla.com/customer-stories/cross-country-trip-fu...

vel0city 6mo ago
I don't trust anything Tesla posts on their website about self driving. They've been known to post entirely fictional stories about their self driving. Crazy you still choose to believe them after they've been known to so brazenly lie there.
- electriclove 6mo ago
  Ok, try it yourself with a new HW4 and you will see.
  - vel0city 6mo ago
    I've ridden in Teslas many times operating in "FSD" (read: not fully, and not self, driving), nearly every time its made some kind of moving violation including nearly hitting a pedestrian. No thanks. I heard the same thing in 2019, HW3 solved all the issues, it finally just works as advertised. That was after HW2 was guaranteed to ship with all the hardware needed for FSD a decade ago, for real this time. I'll probably wait for HW5, then you'll tell me its really there. This time it won't even run people over, and it actually stops at stop signs more than just 98% of the time. Personally I try and avoid systems that drive people in front of trains. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMqTmOTtft4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMqTmOTtft4
- ggreer 6mo ago
  David Moss is a traveling LiDAR salesman. He doesn’t work for Tesla, and Tesla didn’t know about him until one of his tweets about his FSD experience went viral. Unless you think he faked images of his FSD stats for months and Tesla went along with it, I’m not sure what to tell you.[1] 1. https://x.com/DavidMoss/status/2010608939751047484 https://x.com/DavidMoss/status/2010608939751047484
  - vel0city 6mo ago
    I don't know who David Moss is, I have no reason to trust him. His tweets I can see are practically nothing but Tesla and Grok shill posts.
    - ggreer 6mo ago
      Let’s say, hypothetically, that someone has gone thousands of miles on FSD without intervening. What information would need to exist to convince you of this?
      - vel0city 6mo ago
        More than a random Twitter feed and a news post from a company which is known to spread lies, that's for sure.
        ggreer 6mo ago
        How about if a guy who wrote an article titled Five Things My Roomba Does Better Than My Tesla[1] later drove across the country without intervening?[2] Unless all three people in the car are lying, it seems like an independent example of going thousands of miles without intervening. 1. https://www.thedrive.com/opinion/40604/five-things-my-roomba-does-better-than-my-tesla https://www.thedrive.com/opinion/40604/five-things-my-roomba... 2. https://www.thedrive.com/news/a-tesla-actually-drove-itself-from-los-angeles-to-new-york-exclusive https://www.thedrive.com/news/a-tesla-actually-drove-itself-...
        vel0city 6mo ago
        > Both are deeply knowledgeable about Tesla’s Full-Self Driving suite and Roy stressed that he couldn’t have completed the trip without them. Totally fully self driving even though you need not one, not two, but three autonomous driving experts with you. And be sure to have a second car with you when your first autonomous vehicle strands you. Sure sounds like a reliable system ready for the masses to use on public roadways!
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bastawhiz 6mo ago
This is so far removed from my personal lived experience that it's almost laughable. The auto park on Tesla is an accident waiting to happen.
Mawr 6mo ago
> over 10,000 miles without intervening, including a cross-country trip. You realize that a cross-country trip makes that achievement weaker, not stronger, right? That's just a bunch of highway driving, which is the easiest to automate and will have you racking up a lot of miles quickly. City driving is the real test, not driving a milion miles in a straight line.
- expedition32 6mo ago
  I am interested to see how Tesla is going to drive in Dutch cities. I will give car makers the benefit of the doubt: it is difficult to simulate real traffic. You can't do real life tests with teenagers on bicycles.

by ggreer 6mo ago

vel0city 6mo ago

I don't trust anything Tesla posts on their website about self driving. They've been known to post entirely fictional stories about their self driving. Crazy you still choose to believe them after they've been known to so brazenly lie there.

electriclove 6mo ago
Ok, try it yourself with a new HW4 and you will see.
- vel0city 6mo ago
  I've ridden in Teslas many times operating in "FSD" (read: not fully, and not self, driving), nearly every time its made some kind of moving violation including nearly hitting a pedestrian. No thanks. I heard the same thing in 2019, HW3 solved all the issues, it finally just works as advertised. That was after HW2 was guaranteed to ship with all the hardware needed for FSD a decade ago, for real this time. I'll probably wait for HW5, then you'll tell me its really there. This time it won't even run people over, and it actually stops at stop signs more than just 98% of the time. Personally I try and avoid systems that drive people in front of trains. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMqTmOTtft4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMqTmOTtft4
ggreer 6mo ago
David Moss is a traveling LiDAR salesman. He doesn’t work for Tesla, and Tesla didn’t know about him until one of his tweets about his FSD experience went viral. Unless you think he faked images of his FSD stats for months and Tesla went along with it, I’m not sure what to tell you.[1] 1. https://x.com/DavidMoss/status/2010608939751047484 https://x.com/DavidMoss/status/2010608939751047484
- vel0city 6mo ago
  I don't know who David Moss is, I have no reason to trust him. His tweets I can see are practically nothing but Tesla and Grok shill posts.
  - ggreer 6mo ago
    Let’s say, hypothetically, that someone has gone thousands of miles on FSD without intervening. What information would need to exist to convince you of this?
    - vel0city 6mo ago
      More than a random Twitter feed and a news post from a company which is known to spread lies, that's for sure.
      - ggreer 6mo ago
        How about if a guy who wrote an article titled Five Things My Roomba Does Better Than My Tesla[1] later drove across the country without intervening?[2] Unless all three people in the car are lying, it seems like an independent example of going thousands of miles without intervening. 1. https://www.thedrive.com/opinion/40604/five-things-my-roomba-does-better-than-my-tesla https://www.thedrive.com/opinion/40604/five-things-my-roomba... 2. https://www.thedrive.com/news/a-tesla-actually-drove-itself-from-los-angeles-to-new-york-exclusive https://www.thedrive.com/news/a-tesla-actually-drove-itself-...
        vel0city 6mo ago
        > Both are deeply knowledgeable about Tesla’s Full-Self Driving suite and Roy stressed that he couldn’t have completed the trip without them. Totally fully self driving even though you need not one, not two, but three autonomous driving experts with you. And be sure to have a second car with you when your first autonomous vehicle strands you. Sure sounds like a reliable system ready for the masses to use on public roadways!

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bastawhiz 6mo ago

This is so far removed from my personal lived experience that it's almost laughable. The auto park on Tesla is an accident waiting to happen.

Mawr 6mo ago

> over 10,000 miles without intervening, including a cross-country trip. You realize that a cross-country trip makes that achievement weaker, not stronger, right? That's just a bunch of highway driving, which is the easiest to automate and will have you racking up a lot of miles quickly. City driving is the real test, not driving a milion miles in a straight line.

expedition32 6mo ago
I am interested to see how Tesla is going to drive in Dutch cities. I will give car makers the benefit of the doubt: it is difficult to simulate real traffic. You can't do real life tests with teenagers on bicycles.