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> When will "when will the dems learn that the dnc is just republican lite" enjoyers learn On the bright side, these folks tend to be civically and electoral u

> When will "when will the dems learn that the dnc is just republican lite" enjoyers learn On the bright side, these folks tend to be civically and electoral uninvolved. So they aren’t having any net effect on policy, other than slightly endorsing the status quo.

LocalH 7mo ago
when the people who endorse the "status quo" (which is itself rapidly shifting if you track the US political sphere before the modern day) number in the millions, it's a bit more than slightly normalize supporting a proper civics test before the right to vote is granted. you don't have to agree with any political topics, but you have to understand how politics actually work before you can cast a vote
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > it's a bit more than slightly I've voted in New York and Wyoming. In a general election, my Presidential vote does not practically count. As a result, I can typically throw it for a third party as a messaging vote. (If New York or Wyoming are turning out to be contested, the fight was won elesewhere.) If you're in a swing state and you don't vote, you're about as important for the Presdiential general-election campaign you would not have voted for if you bothered to show up as an actual opposition voter. (Depressing turnout among unlikely voters who might vote for the other candidate is a real, precedented, cosultants-who-specialise-in-this-exclusively social-media-advertising turnout strategy.)
  - LocalH 7mo ago
    and if everyone who hates both the Rs and the Ds in the non-swing states voted third-party, and could manage to get behind the same party (that's the hard part), then suddenly the swing states would be much less important. the point is, we need completely new thought in government to get out of the two-party duopoly that's currently eating the US from the inside. george washington hated political parties. we should strive to think like him a bit more
Computer0 7mo ago
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- will4274 7mo ago
  You'd be better off if you stopped seeing groups of tens of millions of people as enemies. That sort of thinking is how genocides start.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > the typical GenX reply ...not Gen X.
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lesuorac 7mo ago
Eh, while I do think you should go out and vote I'm not sure you can exactly say they're endorsing the status quo. Take 2024 vs 2020 where turnout dropped 4% [1] and compare it to the 2025 NYC mayoral race where more people in 2025 voted for Mamdani [2] then voted in 2021 at all [3]. IMO, the horrendous turnout is a reflection of the horrendous candidates that run. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections#Measuring_turnout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_New_York_City_mayoral_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_New_York_City_mayoral_ele... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_New_York_City_mayoral_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_New_York_City_mayoral_ele...
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > not sure you can exactly say they're endorsing the status quo That's not the intent. But de facto, they either have no or that effect. Particularly in primaries. There is also a huge messaging difference between casting a blank ballot and not showing up at all. The presumption is you can safely ignore someone who doesn't vote for several cycles because they tend to keep not voting for novel–but consistently exculpatory–excuses each time around. You have to still pay attention to intermittent voters if you don't want to get caught wrong-footed by a wave.

LocalH 7mo ago

when the people who endorse the "status quo" (which is itself rapidly shifting if you track the US political sphere before the modern day) number in the millions, it's a bit more than slightly normalize supporting a proper civics test before the right to vote is granted. you don't have to agree with any political topics, but you have to understand how politics actually work before you can cast a vote

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> it's a bit more than slightly I've voted in New York and Wyoming. In a general election, my Presidential vote does not practically count. As a result, I can typically throw it for a third party as a messaging vote. (If New York or Wyoming are turning out to be contested, the fight was won elesewhere.) If you're in a swing state and you don't vote, you're about as important for the Presdiential general-election campaign you would not have voted for if you bothered to show up as an actual opposition voter. (Depressing turnout among unlikely voters who might vote for the other candidate is a real, precedented, cosultants-who-specialise-in-this-exclusively social-media-advertising turnout strategy.)
- LocalH 7mo ago
  and if everyone who hates both the Rs and the Ds in the non-swing states voted third-party, and could manage to get behind the same party (that's the hard part), then suddenly the swing states would be much less important. the point is, we need completely new thought in government to get out of the two-party duopoly that's currently eating the US from the inside. george washington hated political parties. we should strive to think like him a bit more

Computer0 7mo ago

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will4274 7mo ago
You'd be better off if you stopped seeing groups of tens of millions of people as enemies. That sort of thinking is how genocides start.
JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> the typical GenX reply ...not Gen X.
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lesuorac 7mo ago

Eh, while I do think you should go out and vote I'm not sure you can exactly say they're endorsing the status quo. Take 2024 vs 2020 where turnout dropped 4% [1] and compare it to the 2025 NYC mayoral race where more people in 2025 voted for Mamdani [2] then voted in 2021 at all [3]. IMO, the horrendous turnout is a reflection of the horrendous candidates that run. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections#Measuring_turnout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_New_York_City_mayoral_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_New_York_City_mayoral_ele... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_New_York_City_mayoral_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_New_York_City_mayoral_ele...

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> not sure you can exactly say they're endorsing the status quo That's not the intent. But de facto, they either have no or that effect. Particularly in primaries. There is also a huge messaging difference between casting a blank ballot and not showing up at all. The presumption is you can safely ignore someone who doesn't vote for several cycles because they tend to keep not voting for novel–but consistently exculpatory–excuses each time around. You have to still pay attention to intermittent voters if you don't want to get caught wrong-footed by a wave.