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Just ban the sale of any kind of adtracking. That way we can get rid of the cookiewalls too. Missed opportunity by the EU when they wrote GDPR.
by wolvoleo 7mo ago
Just ban the sale of any kind of adtracking. That way we can get rid of the cookiewalls too.
Missed opportunity by the EU when they wrote GDPR.
- troupo 7mo agoGDPR literally prohibits the sale of user data and tracking without user consent (because yes, you want to give people the possibility to opt in for a variety of reasons). GDPR has literally nothing to do with cookie popups. That was, and is, adtech
- pocksuppet 7mo agoI think they are saying GDPR did not ban websites from noisily asking for consent and trying to trick you into giving consent.
- wolvoleo 7mo agoWell they did but that is not policed. For example, giving consent should be the same difficulty as denying it. So one click consent means there must be also one click non-consent. But this is policed very poorly. I think they should just ban adtech altogether, at least any form of targeted advertising, individual pricing (which is already illegal in many EU countries) and ideally also deep market research.
- lotu 7mo agoMy job was building cookie walls in response to GDPR. It might not have been the “intent” but it certainly was the consequence of that law.
- troupo 7mo ago> My job was building cookie walls in response to GDPR. If you're building cookie walls, you are not building them in response to GDPR. You are literally building dark patterns intended to circumvent GDPR and trick users into accepting any and all data collection. You wouldn't need to build cookie walls if people you work for didn't, say, store precise geolocation of everyone for 12 years: https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1817122117093056541 https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1817122117093056541
- em-bee 7mo agoprohibits [...] without user consent that's what causes the popups. it should prohibit it outright, consent or not.
- SoftTalker 7mo agoBut the only reason the popups are needed is the adtech tracking cookies. You don't need a popup for cookies that are related to essential site functionality.
- em-bee 7mo agoyes, so if ad tracking is forbidden outright then asking for permission to do it is invalid too.
- GJim 7mo agoWe certainly do need another law to ban the adtech industry..... Though no doubt that would prompt a _shitstorm_ from Google, Elon and chums.
- nathanlied 7mo agoI can live with the tears of Google and Elon, frankly. The adtech industry has, time and again, proven they cannot self-regulate to any decent capacity. At this point, the only reasonable course of action is to shackle them down with such heavy legislative burdens they're rendered de facto extinct. I will not mourn their loss.
- wolvoleo 7mo agoI see only positives there.
- troupo 7mo agoThere are absolutely valid reasons for users to opt-in to tracking/data collection. EU is first and foremost a capitalist economy which nevertheless tries to protect people from abuse. Who are they to forbid someone to collect data, and to someone to provide this data? Even things like quality surveys are collecting personal data. However, adtech and tracking (also capitalists, (un)ironically) ruined everything for it for everyone.
- GJim 7mo ago> Missed opportunity by the EU when they wrote GDPR. Not really. There are legitimate reasons why I might wish to be tracked or give my personal data to a company. As long as I'm asked to give clear, opt-in informed consent, this is perfectly fine. This is the very essence of the GDPR! Instead, direct your ire to the scummy adtech industry who are constantly asking to invade my privacy and smell my knickers trying to work out what I ate for lunch. Another law to ban the adtech industry would be welcome from me, though would meet fierce resistance from the likes of Google. The GDPR is well written.
- wolvoleo 7mo ago> There are legitimate reasons why I might wish to be tracked or give my personal data to a company. As long as I'm asked to give clear, opt-in informed consent, this is perfectly fine. This is the very essence of the GDPR! In these cases they don't even need to ask for your permission. > Instead, direct your ire to the scummy adtech industry who are constantly asking to invade my privacy and smell my knickers trying to work out what I ate for lunch. Another law to ban the adtech industry would be welcome from me, though would meet fierce resistance from the likes of Google. No, the EU should have done more to prevent this. They didn't want to kill a billions-of-euros industry. But they should have.