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Listen, I would actually be willing to support something like this, but Jesus Christ when will we put somebody in congress with a CS background who can literall

Listen, I would actually be willing to support something like this, but Jesus Christ when will we put somebody in congress with a CS background who can literally just chime in and say "use Zero Knowledge Proofs for this, people might actually buy that you're not just building a surveillance state."

mistrial9 6mo ago
there is a significant population in management, court and law enforcement that does support state-mandated registration using full profile ID for using public infrastructure. It was on the railroad system in the USA, and was part of the profound shift to individual cars.
C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 6mo ago
> when will we put somebody in congress with a CS background who can literally just chime in and say "use Zero Knowledge Proofs for this, people might actually buy that you're not just building a surveillance state." Well that would be counter-productive to actually building a surveillance state.
aes25423 6mo ago
ZKP doesn't solve the problem of issuers colluding (or being forced to cooperate) with verifiers https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/07/zero-knowledge-proofs-alone-are-not-digital-id-solution-protecting-user-privacy https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/07/zero-knowledge-proofs-... https://nophonehome.com/ https://nophonehome.com/
- ranger_danger 6mo ago
  eIDAS in Europe uses ZKP and seems to be working.
  - aes25423 6mo ago
    I have no idea what you mean by that. 1) It's one thing to use secure auth to access government services, banks etc. that need to know beyond reasonable doubt who you are to function at all. It's something else entirely to require every person in the EU (not just citizens) to ask the government for permission to speak online. 2) What does eIDAS fundamentally have to do with ZKP? There's one reference to ZKP in the 2024 update (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:L_202401183 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:...) which merely says states "should" use it. Doesn't mean much of anything by itself. To my knowledge, the ZKP-based AV shit is only being prepared to run and hasn't been in use yet - https://www.politico.eu/article/online-age-checks-are-coming-europe-children-social-media/ https://www.politico.eu/article/online-age-checks-are-coming...
egorfine 6mo ago
ZK is detrimental to the true cause of these bills: mass surveillance.

mistrial9 6mo ago

there is a significant population in management, court and law enforcement that does support state-mandated registration using full profile ID for using public infrastructure. It was on the railroad system in the USA, and was part of the profound shift to individual cars.

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 6mo ago

> when will we put somebody in congress with a CS background who can literally just chime in and say "use Zero Knowledge Proofs for this, people might actually buy that you're not just building a surveillance state." Well that would be counter-productive to actually building a surveillance state.

aes25423 6mo ago

ZKP doesn't solve the problem of issuers colluding (or being forced to cooperate) with verifiers https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/07/zero-knowledge-proofs-alone-are-not-digital-id-solution-protecting-user-privacy https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/07/zero-knowledge-proofs-... https://nophonehome.com/ https://nophonehome.com/

ranger_danger 6mo ago
eIDAS in Europe uses ZKP and seems to be working.
- aes25423 6mo ago
  I have no idea what you mean by that. 1) It's one thing to use secure auth to access government services, banks etc. that need to know beyond reasonable doubt who you are to function at all. It's something else entirely to require every person in the EU (not just citizens) to ask the government for permission to speak online. 2) What does eIDAS fundamentally have to do with ZKP? There's one reference to ZKP in the 2024 update (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:L_202401183 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:...) which merely says states "should" use it. Doesn't mean much of anything by itself. To my knowledge, the ZKP-based AV shit is only being prepared to run and hasn't been in use yet - https://www.politico.eu/article/online-age-checks-are-coming-europe-children-social-media/ https://www.politico.eu/article/online-age-checks-are-coming...

egorfine 6mo ago

ZK is detrimental to the true cause of these bills: mass surveillance.