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I read the bill and I feel like it's missing any technical details. It's almost like they read my suggestion [1] but then left some parts out. The technical p

by Bender 7mo ago

I read the bill and I feel like it's missing any technical details. It's almost like they read my suggestion [1] but then left some parts out. The technical parts. As I read it one can just enter whatever name, age and other details in the setup of a computer they desire. It's missing any checks for a header on the server to detect adult content labels. What am I missing? What forces me to enter my real information? Are operating system developers going to be granted access to the DMV databases? Or forced to use some third party that scratched the back of some politicians? If I block connectivity to this will I not be able to log in? If someone performs a successful DDoS to the site will I not be able to log in? It feels like several pages of the bill are missing. How does the OS know it is visiting an adult site? [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46152074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46152074

iamnothere 7mo ago
They have dropped all the decision making for the details in the lap of the politically controlled FTC. Which also means that future FTCs could change the rules based on political goals.
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stephbook 7mo ago
The site "reclaimthenet" calls it age "verification", but it's not a "verification" at all. There's your mystery. All the bill wants is that you can set up an iPhone for kids, an children account on Ubuntu (YOU decide whether it's a children's account) and then, presumably, the browser vendors implement an AgeAPI that allows website operators to query the user age. Your device tells us you're 10 years old. Access to Instagram denied. Your device tells us you're 16. You're not allowed to visit gambling-porn-and-industrial-accidents.org It's, of course, exactly the opposite of the "identity-tied age verification government-control, ID-document-leak" dystopia that the scare crowds here are peddling. But you'll never hear a word of acknowledgement from them. These people act as if those "I'm 13 or older, i can create an Instagram account and waste my life" or "I'm 18 or older, let me watch porn and strangle my girlfriend" buttons are the peak of civilization.
- Bender 7mo ago
  Ah, well that's at least half of what I suggested. Telling the site the age seems leaky to me, I would still prefer the apps check for the RTA header so all decisions stay on the device and not leak anything. Curious where it goes from here but based on your reply it does not seem quite as bad as I imagined. Thankyou for the clarification. I imagine eBPF or MAC rules could be used to block this. Government should like the RTA header as they can fine sites daily that are missing it. Lobbyists could push companies that do the header checks.
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- direwolf20 7mo ago
  I've noticed this reclaimthenet site has very mixed factuality. Sometimes it posts good content but more often it just posts its preferred form of propaganda. I've reported it to dang but he doesn't care. I don't know why 404media is shadowbanned but reclaimthenet is not. I guess it's about who aligns with YC interests.

by Bender 7mo ago

iamnothere 7mo ago

They have dropped all the decision making for the details in the lap of the politically controlled FTC. Which also means that future FTCs could change the rules based on political goals.

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stephbook 7mo ago

The site "reclaimthenet" calls it age "verification", but it's not a "verification" at all. There's your mystery. All the bill wants is that you can set up an iPhone for kids, an children account on Ubuntu (YOU decide whether it's a children's account) and then, presumably, the browser vendors implement an AgeAPI that allows website operators to query the user age. Your device tells us you're 10 years old. Access to Instagram denied. Your device tells us you're 16. You're not allowed to visit gambling-porn-and-industrial-accidents.org It's, of course, exactly the opposite of the "identity-tied age verification government-control, ID-document-leak" dystopia that the scare crowds here are peddling. But you'll never hear a word of acknowledgement from them. These people act as if those "I'm 13 or older, i can create an Instagram account and waste my life" or "I'm 18 or older, let me watch porn and strangle my girlfriend" buttons are the peak of civilization.

Bender 7mo ago
Ah, well that's at least half of what I suggested. Telling the site the age seems leaky to me, I would still prefer the apps check for the RTA header so all decisions stay on the device and not leak anything. Curious where it goes from here but based on your reply it does not seem quite as bad as I imagined. Thankyou for the clarification. I imagine eBPF or MAC rules could be used to block this. Government should like the RTA header as they can fine sites daily that are missing it. Lobbyists could push companies that do the header checks.
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direwolf20 7mo ago
I've noticed this reclaimthenet site has very mixed factuality. Sometimes it posts good content but more often it just posts its preferred form of propaganda. I've reported it to dang but he doesn't care. I don't know why 404media is shadowbanned but reclaimthenet is not. I guess it's about who aligns with YC interests.