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Politicians will do any draconian measure to help kids except try and improve the lives of their parents so that they can actually dedicate time to parenting. M
by snaking0776 6mo ago
Politicians will do any draconian measure to help kids except try and improve the lives of their parents so that they can actually dedicate time to parenting. Making it slightly harder to access the internet fixes nothing. What if instead of having the largest prison population in the world our government supported communities that make raising good children possible? Our society needs to lose this urge to diagnose each other and provide some forceful treatment and instead set sights on providing the pre-conditions for everyone to prosper and lead their version of a fulfilling life. Only then will we have functional, healthy children. I quite like what the mayor of Baltimore has been doing to revitalize his city and it seems to be leading to actual change there if you want a good example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XQs59YY-e2I&pp=ygUXY2hhbm5lbCA1IGJyYW5kb24gc2NvdHQ%3D https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XQs59YY-e2I&pp=ygUXY2hhbm5lbCA...
- shevy-java 6mo agoIF it were for the kids - but I don't think it is. > Making it slightly harder to access the internet fixes nothing. This assumes it is about the children. But if you do not think so then it opens up new alternatives suddenly, be it from tracking people, to targeted ads or any other information that could be gathered and eventually either monetized or put in tandem with other information. We'd get age graphs that way too. Before that we could speculate to some extent, but with mandatory age sniffing and id-showing at all times, those who track people and benefit from it, benefit now even more.
- snaking0776 6mo agoAgreed. I’m sure some house members will vote for it because they only had a random staffer read the bill and heard that it gives them a good talking point in the next election. I just wanted to point out what’s maybe obvious to everyone that this won’t help kids. I’m sure this is being pushed by Meta/whatever other ad dependent business wants to pass off liability of verifying age with the added benefit to everyone in power that it’s easier to track everyone as a result.
- cmiles74 6mo agoThe proving-your-age thing seems like a weasely way to talk about it. As you mentioned, providing a legible photo of your US state ID is a lot more data than your birth date!
- baranul 6mo ago> IF it were for the kids - but I don't think it is. Exactly. If it was about kids, then you do not direct legislation towards everybody, but at parents. Give parents the software and tools (parental control settings) to restrict their child from searching certain terms and accessing certain sites. Bob or Susan (middle age adults), down the street, should have nothing to do with that. It's about outright surveillance, tracking, censorship, control, and politicians putting money in their pocket. "Kids" is just a cover for their intentions and dirt. More has to be done to call out the deception.
- raxxorraxor 6mo ago[flagged]
- basch 6mo agowell, and this bill literally only makes you prove age to ... set up the device. how are we in 2026 and phones dont have guest mode or "i handed it to my kid mode" apple's guided access is a terrible 1% solution to the problem. in one click i should be able to put my phone into some kind of locked down mode that exposes only what is allowed, starting with nothing unless whitelisted, with multiple profiles. in the same sense, all the streaming services having their own separate kids profiles, instead of the streaming device having a single kids mode that exposes only the kids mode content from each app makes kids mode useless when a kid can just change the app, or gets stick into a single provider and i have to go help them switch.
- mkroman 6mo ago> how are we in 2026 and phones dont have guest mode or "i handed it to my kid mode" They do. Android have had multi-user and guest profiles since Android 5. The only reason I really know this is because I heard how Google completely bungled it in Android 14 on Pixel devices[1] :D [1]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/android-14s-ransomware-data-storage-bug-locks-out-users-remains-unfixed/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/android-14s-ransomwa...
- ranger_danger 6mo agoIn addition to profiles you can also 'pin' an app from the recents menu so the kid cannot exit the app, sortof like a kiosk mode. It requires bio/auth to undo the pin. To me that's faster and much closer to a safe "hand the device to a kid" mode.
- lrvick 6mo agoWhile age gate attempts are comically stupid, an adult giving a kid a device purpose built for addictive behavior should absolutely be as illegal as giving them alcohol or cigarettes. I really hope Apple and Google are not stupid enough to further enable this.
- basch 6mo agoI don't consider giving a kid a phone in guided access with calculator up to be addictive or something that should be illegal. Same applies to guided access and a facetime call. I dont want them to switch apps or hang up the call, the phone gets locked down.
- throw1234567891 6mo ago> Politicians will do any draconian measure to help kids except try and improve the lives of their parents so that they can actually dedicate time to parenting. Because in their eyes your children are not your children. You are simply a custodian of their future work force asset. If you educate your children too much into individualism, they (today’s politicians) may see a diminished return of whatever they want to achieve. And if you don’t agree with me on an emotional level, well, just remember the words of Elon Musk (paraphrasing): we need people to have children because we need to have workforce in the future. Translation: we need people to have children because who will work for us and makes tons of money. If you have it too good, you aren’t dependent on them, you have all the carrots. They have no stick. They want to have the stick.
- snaking0776 6mo agoI agree. Just was trying to point out that this has nothing to do with helping kids
- enceladus06 6mo agoTranslation: government is the problem not the solution.
- aceazzameen 6mo agoHard disagree. Corporations running the government instead of a nation's people is the problem.
- Ancapistani 6mo agoGovernment should be so powerless as to be unattractive targets for corporate influence.
- red-iron-pine 6mo agoa government not worth of influence is not a government
- HumblyTossed 6mo agoI would rather them write a bill that says all kids are provided lunches at schools ("free lunch" if you will). I believe that would help kids out much more than this shit bill would.
- GaryBluto 6mo ago>("free lunch" if you will). TANSTAAFL.
- mcmcmc 6mo agoWhoa you mean public services are funded by taxes? I knew those free books at the library were too good to be true
- philipallstar 6mo agoNo, they're funded by the work of net taxpayers.
- whamlastxmas 6mo agoAnd net tax payers are funded by exploiting the labor of lower tax payers
- philipallstar 6mo agoA self-employed plumber is a net taxpayer. Baby's first crayon drawing of an economy has few sensible conclusions from which to draw.
- Mordisquitos 6mo ago>TANSTAAFL Those Are Not Slogans That Are Applicable Followed Literally.
- gibsonsmog 6mo agoFeed, cloth and educate our population? What's next? Structure society in a way that benefits the people? How horrifying!
- C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 6mo ago> Politicians will do any draconian measure to help kids except [...] They are covering for and not prosecuting perpetrators in the biggest child trafficking and abuse scandal in recent memory -- the Epstein case. Let us do away with even a surface-level pretense that they care about kids at all.
- xp84 6mo agoWe can abolish prison right after criminals abolish crime. Also, most of the people in prison aren’t great role models.