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Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln in the same photo (2010)
- triceratops 6mo agoTl;dr a picture in which a historian spotted 7-year old Teddy Roosevelt watching Abraham Lincoln's funeral procession from the window of his grandfather's house in New York. Very cool story!
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- xrd 6mo agoWhen I hear the name Lincoln now, I can't help but think of the fake Letterboxd review of Melania: "the worst experience I've had at a theatre." By Abraham Lincoln.
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- WalterBright 6mo agotoo soon?
- GCA10 6mo agoThe timeline doesn't match up here. We're told that historian Stefan Lorant was doing his research in the 1950s. Then we're told that he checked with Teddy Roosevelt's wife and got her confirmation that one of the children in the window was Teddy Roosevelt. Roosevelt was married twice, and his first wife, Alice Hathaway Lee, died in 1884, so it's not her. But his second wife, Edith Carow, died in 1948, at age 87. So unless Lorant interviewed her posthumously, via seance, it can't be her, either. Our best hope of rescuing this anecdote is to assume that Lorant's research happened earlier (1940s?) while Edith Carow Roosevelt was still alive. But she would have been just three years old at the time of Lincoln's funeral, and while her family and the Roosevelt's family socialized together, even her quoted reminiscence is less than definitive about whether that's actually TR. Possible? Sure. Probable? Maybe. 100% verified? No way. From what's presented to us, this sounds like a cool legend
- rootusrootus 6mo agoThis came up in a Reddit discussion a while back. Snopes has an article about it, in which they quote a source which says that the actual interview happened in 1948. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roosevelt-lincoln-funeral/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roosevelt-lincoln-funeral/
- dylan604 6mo ago> But she would have been just three years old at the time of Lincoln's funeral, and while her family and the Roosevelt's family socialized together, even her quoted reminiscence is less than definitive about whether that's actually TR. While she might not have direct memory of the event, it would not be unheard of for older relatives to explain the picture to her when she was older. Just because she doesn't remember it directly does not automatically make the story of the picture untrue.
- saalweachter 6mo agoSo her recollection is that she was in the house to view Lincoln's funeral procession. She didn't, because she was three and got scared, but it was still an event she was a part of. Even if she didn't remember whether Teddy was standing at that window at that time, she probably knew that she at Teddy and his brother were at the mansion for the event. So we have the Roosevelt mansion, knowledge that not many boys would have been allowed to be in that window, and confirmation that Teddy Roosevelt was there watching at that time.
- WalterBright 6mo agoI have a few vague memories of being 3. I expect if something dramatic had happened, I'd remember that.
- lostlogin 6mo agoI can guarantee that something dramatic happened, based on observing a few 3 year olds.
- Rebelgecko 6mo agoWho is she referring to as "that horrible man"?
- cdot2 6mo agoThe grandfather who's house they were in.
- Rebelgecko 6mo agoGotcha, I couldn't tell if it was Grandpa or one of the bros who locked her in the closet
- UncleSlacky 6mo agoPresumably Cornelius Roosevelt.
- ramesh31 6mo agoThe past is so much closer than you think. We are only three human lifetimes away from the American Revolution. The last living children of American slaves were around into the 2010s. Back to Teddy, the last living person who could have met him was still around in the 2000s as well, meaning in your lifetime you could have talked to someone who knew someone who saw Abe Lincoln alive.
- rootusrootus 6mo agoIndeed this is one of the things I most enjoyed when I first visited DC, the realization of just how recent these historical events really were. Standing on a battlefield in Gettysburg and thinking "This all happened in the 1860s, barely more than 100 years before I was born. I have relatives who lived in this area at that time, and only a few generations back." When I talk to young people today, and realize how little they know about people and events that were major news when I was young, I understand how it happens. Even for me WW2 is just something from the history books, and yet it concluded just ~30 years before I was born. 30 years before today was 1996. Our descendants are going to enjoy an enormous wealth of imagery and videos for events that will to them otherwise be just something from a history book. Just imagine what it would be like today if we could see videos of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, etc. Might knock the mythology down a peg or two, though.
- lukan 6mo ago"Our descendants are going to enjoy an enormous wealth of imagery and videos for events that will to them otherwise be just something from a history book. " The question will be at some point, will they be able to tell it apart from AI generated fake ones? (and will they care?) Already now youtube recommends me some obvious AI generated garbage as WW2 documentations. And that was just garbage generated for attention (ad money). Once big actors with money want to rewrite history and flood the web with fake images to spread certain narratives, then new challenges will arise. I hope enough people still care about facts and guard them.
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- jej_FundAlign 6mo agoOK, thats enough proof for me that we are in a simulation. LOL
- anigbrowl 6mo agoThis image shows a close-up of the second story window (Courtesy the New York Times) A 'close up' that is smaller and lower resolution than the main photo on the article, which is courtesy of the NY public library. NY Times isn't mentioned in the text at all. Is this entire article an LLM hallucination?
- landl0rd 6mo agoIt dates to 2010. It's not any part LLM hallucination.
- rootusrootus 6mo ago> Is this entire article an LLM hallucination? An article at the National Archives written in 2010? That would be remarkable.
- m463 6mo agoAlong not-that-similar lines, I used to have a lincoln kennedy penny. It came with a card full of abe lincoln vs john f kennedy coincidences. (I wonder if I still have it somewhere?) https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lincoln+kennedy+penny+card&iar=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lincoln+kennedy+penny+card&iar=ima... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln%E2%80%93Kennedy_coincidences_urban_legend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln%E2%80%93Kennedy_coinci...
- lubujackson 6mo agoFor some reason, this reminded me of spotting a very young Mick Jagger at the first televised performance of Hey Jude by the Beatles. Also, a young Bill Clinton shaking JFK's hand. These sort of baton-passing moments are interesting to see from all sides.
- Markoff 6mo agois there any photo of jagger there? I can't find anything, Clinton is no problem to find