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EU age verification app hacked, 2 minute How to posted
- raverbashing 6mo ago"hacked" And then this person says the pin shouldn't be encrypted (but I bet if this was otherwise they would be complaining as well) I think scrutiny over the apps are fine, but treating every issue with the same brush is not > this product will be the catalyst for an enormous breach at some point Breach of what exactly is not clear since most information never leaves the phone
- archerx 6mo agoMaybe the biometric and photos of id and possibly selfies not being deleted properly?
- raverbashing 6mo agoYes (later in the thread it seems to be the case, though xcancel makes threads even more confusing) But more importantly, it's not being deleted from your phone. You know, your phone with all of your other photos Yes it should be fixed, but this "all of nothing" approach to security is just counter-productive
- jeroenhd 6mo agoThat's not the real age verification app (there is no "EU app", every member state releases their own), it's the proof of concept that was made to demonstrate the system. This stuff is also why the EU doesn't want the app to run on rooted devices. I don't believe there's a way to pass Strong Integrity yet, as the app doesn't support the hackable Android 8 software attestation.
- karussell 6mo ago> why the EU doesn't want the app to run on rooted devices Where does the EU say so?
- azalemeth 6mo agoI just want this whole idea to kindly please bog off. We shouldn't be further creating the apparatus of the surveillance state.
- illiac786 6mo agoI want corrupt politicians to bog off and people to think long term. I guess we’re both going to be very disappointed.
- ilumanty 6mo agoYeah I don’t like how the discussion is shifting to implementation details, instead of debating whether any of this is good or necessary
- karussell 6mo agoIMO the implementation is crucial. If everything is locally on the device and I can confirm digitally that I'm older than 18 BUT NOTHING ELSE is leaked, like the German eID supports (I think). Why/how would this be a bad thing?
- slackfan 6mo agoImplementing this is fascist.
- Tanoc 6mo agoBecause that's debating the mechanics of it rather than the need or the ethics. Nobody gives a shit about the mechanics because if there's a debate about the mechanics that means the discussions about the need and the ethics have already happened. Yet those discussions are in fact still going with few in favour of the ethics or need for these systems. The mechanics are the final step after everything else has been settled.
- 0-_-0 6mo agoMy understanding is that this is much more privacy friendly than showing your id
- ChocolateGod 6mo ago> This stuff is also why the EU doesn't want the app to run on rooted devices. I would argue the EU doesn't want to run it on rooted devices because malware could violate the security sandbox and intercept information. This is largely the same reason why Google Pay requires SafetyNet.
- jeroenhd 6mo agoThat's exactly what this hack is doing: using root to alter the app's internal storage. The Twitter video does it manually, but the problem is the same as when one does it through automated means.
- atanasi 6mo agoIf the app wants to take advantage of mandatory hardware attestation, it has to require Android 13 or later. This would undermine somewhat the promise that the app supports a wide range of devices. Even banks don't currently enforce Android 13+.
- jeroenhd 6mo agoThe reference wallet uses a minimum API level 29 (https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android...) Although, hardware attestation should be available for Android 8+. Only older Android versions can be spoofed. You can still get strong integrity, but [as the docs state](https://developer.android.com/google/play/integrity/verdicts https://developer.android.com/google/play/integrity/verdicts): > On Android 12 and lower, the MEETS_STRONG_INTEGRITY verdict only requires hardware-backed proof of boot integrity and does not require the device to have a recent security update. Therefore, when using the MEETS_STRONG_INTEGRITY, it is recommended to also take into account the Android SDK version in the deviceAttributes field.
- spwa4 6mo agoShows yet again: apps are secure because people check them. And politicians will avoid it at all costs for the same reason: it exposes them to being blamed for mistakes.
- fvv 6mo agoThere's one thing "the hackers" haven't considered, though! It's illegal to hack an app in the EU, so the problem of bypassing age verification by hacking saved files doesn't arise at all! /s
- indigomm 6mo agoI assume it's also illegal as someone underage to access all the things protected by the age verification app. So we don't need the app then :-)
- riedel 6mo agoHowever, some one below 14 (at least in Germany) cannot be found guilty: sure the EU will fix that one with a legal act as well.
- izacus 6mo agoSo this "hack" is basically reading app storage on a rooted phone? Wow.
- karussell 6mo agoLink to the code (I think?): https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android...
- onethingright 6mo ago[dead]
- walletdrainer 6mo agoThis is a very dishonest title OP came up with.
- redeeman 6mo agoisnt it just a little bit funny that all this age verification is coming everywhere all at once
- linzhangrun 6mo ago[flagged]