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Just reading the comments here it's amazing how many people seemingly don't know that Claude Desktop and Cowork basically already does all of this. Codex isn't

by woeirua 6mo ago

Just reading the comments here it's amazing how many people seemingly don't know that Claude Desktop and Cowork basically already does all of this. Codex isn't pioneering these features, it's mostly just catching up.

Rekindle8090 6mo ago
It's not x, It's y. :^)
FlamingMoe 6mo ago
Claude Cowork is unusably slow on my M1 MacBook Pro. I wonder if Codex is any better; a quick search indicates that it is also an electron app
- zozbot234 6mo ago
  Codex is a rust TUI app, and it's available as open source. It has nothing to do with Electron.
  - gempir 6mo ago
    Codex is both a macOS app and a CLI/TUI app. Their naming is not very clear. The codex desktop app is somewhat of a frontend for the codex cli. By the look and feel of it I would guess it is written with Electron.
  - 16bitvoid 6mo ago
    Codex CLI is a TUI app, but Codex App is an actual desktop GUI app. If you actually look at the TFA, you'll see that all of the videos are of the desktop app.
    - conradev 6mo ago
      Yes! and if you install Computer Use from the Codex App you can also use it from the Codex CLI
  - bdotdub 6mo ago
    the codex desktop app is electron, as is claudes
  - ValentineC 6mo ago
    > Codex is a rust TUI app, and it's available as open source. It has nothing to do with Electron. I just updated Codex and looked inside the macOS app package. It is most definitely still an Electron app.
  - deleted 6mo ago
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- btown 6mo ago
  At least when I tried it last, Claude Cowork tried to spin up an entire virtual machine to sandbox itself properly - and not only is that sandboxing slow to start up, it also makes it difficult to actually interact freely across your filesystem. (Perhaps a feature, not a bug.) Claude Code, on the other hand, has no such issues, if you've done some setup to allow all commands by default (perhaps then setting "ask" for rm, etc.).
firloop 6mo ago
I don't think Claude has this part yet: > With background computer use, Codex can now use all of the apps on your computer by seeing, clicking, and typing with its own cursor. Multiple agents can work on your Mac in parallel, without interfering with your own work in other apps.
- krackers 6mo ago
  >background computer use How does that even work technically? macOS doesn't support multiple cursors. On native Cocoa apps you can pass input to a window without raising via command+click so possibly they synthesized those events, but fewer and fewer apps support that these days. And AppleScript is basically dead, so they can't be using that either. I also read they acquired the Sky team (who I think were former Apple employees). No wonder they were able to pull of something so slick.
  - jjk7 6mo ago
    Probably accessibility APIs
    - krackers 6mo ago
      Which specific ones though allow you to send input to a window without raising it? People have been trying to do "focus follows mouse [without auto raise]" for a long time on mac, and the synthetic event equivalent to command+click is the only discovered method I'm aware of, e.g. used in https://github.com/sbmpost/AutoRaise https://github.com/sbmpost/AutoRaise There is also this old blog post by Yegge [1] which mentions `AXUIElementPostKeyboardEvent` but there were plenty of bugs with that, and I haven't seen anyone else build on it. I guess the modern equivalent is `CGEventPostToPSN`/`CGEventPostToPid`. I guess it's a good candidate though, perhaps the Sky team they acquired knows the right private APIs to use to get this working. Edit: The thread at [2] also has some interesting tidbits, such as Automator.app having "Watch Me Do" which can also do this, and a CLI tool that claims to use the CGEventPostToPid API [3]. Maybe there's more ways to do it than I realized. [1] https://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/04/settling-osx-focus-follows-mouse-debate.html https://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/04/settling-osx-focus-... [2] https://www.macscripter.net/t/keystroke-to-background-app-as-vs-automator/77570 https://www.macscripter.net/t/keystroke-to-background-app-as... [3] https://github.com/socsieng/sendkeys https://github.com/socsieng/sendkeys
dyauspitr 6mo ago
Yeah, it’s probably very similar to my experience where I just tried Codex because I had a ChatGPT subscription found it to be quite powerful and then because I was used to it just ended up getting the pro subscription so I am guessing folks like me have never really used Claude.
jccx70 6mo ago
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com2kid 6mo ago
IMHO no one is really pioneering. A lot more is possible than what is being done. I wrote a blog post about useful agents in a business setting (https://www.generativestorytelling.ai/blog/posts/useful-corporate-agents/ https://www.generativestorytelling.ai/blog/posts/useful-corp...) that highlights AI being proactive. I mean table stakes stuff, why isn't an agent going through all my slack channels and giving me a morning summary of what I should be paying attention to? Why aren't all those meeting transcriptions being joined together into something actually useful? I should be given pre-meeting prep notes about what was discussed last time and who had what to do items assigned. Basic stuff that is already possible but that no one is doing. I swear none of the AI companies have any sense of human centric design. > pull relevant context from Slack, Notion, and your codebase, then provide you with a prioritized list of actions. This is an improvement, but it isn't the central focus. It should be more than just on a single work item basis, more than on just code. If we are going to be managing swarms of AI agents going forward, attention becomes our most valuable resource. AI should be laser focused on helping us decide where to be focused.
- a1j9o94 6mo ago
  Disclaimer I work at Zapier, but we're doing a ton of this. I have an agent that runs every morning and creates prep documents for my calls. Then a separate one that runs at the end of every week to give me feedback
  - com2kid 6mo ago
    In the full blog post I actually go into more detail about automatically creating a knowledge graph of what is being worked on throughout the whole company. There are some really powerful transformative efforts that can be accomplished right now, but that no one is doing. Basic things like detecting common pain points, to automatically figuring out who is the SME for a topic. AIs are really good at categorizations and tagging, heck even before modern LLMs this is something ML could do. But instead we have AI driven code reviews. Code Reviews are rarely the blocker for productivity! As an industry, we need to stop automating the easy stuff and start helping people accomplish the hard stuff!
- 6mo ago
bze12 6mo ago
It mostly feels like they’re just converging on each other. The latest Claude Mac app release pushed a new UI that looks almost exactly like Codex’s.
tempaccount5050 6mo ago
The first time I tried anthropics version it burned up all its tokens in like 10 minutes and left me stuck in a broken state. So I uninstalled it.
jimbean78 6mo ago
I think your making assumptions without reading the entire thread and processing the general theme. This isn't about catching up or whos better. It really comes down two things. One, how far does your money go, and secondly which political narrative you subscribe too. Up until they started their beef with the u.s. government I was a subscriber. Between that and how fast my tokens depleted I switched to Codex. Best decision of my life and now I never run out of tokens. It was the perfect storm and I would have never switched since the first AI I started with was Claude.
- jswny 6mo ago
  You want to use the model that is potentially giving your data to the government vs the one that’s openly rejecting that partnership?
  - Rohunyyy 6mo ago
    At this point you gotta pick and chose your morality Claude is screwing people on credits and tokens OoenAI is selling three molecules left of your privacy to the government Are those three molecules worth fighting for when your budget is really tight or you are unemployed? Everyone has different priorities
brikym 6mo ago
Clicking UI elements can also be done in Github copilot for vscode, and cursor.
risyachka 6mo ago
Its not like Claude is pioneering those. All that was done prior to all of them by some random startup.
bitexploder 6mo ago
Antigravity off in the corner feeling sad about itself rn.
- qingcharles 6mo ago
  I love poor forgotten Antigravity. For one, you can use your Gemini account to churn Opus credits until they run out then switch to Gemini 3.1 to finish off.
pigpop 6mo ago
Didn't the original ChatGPT desktop app have computer use first?
grkhetan 6mo ago
??? Codex has more features than Claude Cowork (background computer use, etc)
Razengan 6mo ago
Codex has better UX/UI, but Claude is still way ahead in sheer schizophrenia: https://i.imgur.com/jYawPDY.png https://i.imgur.com/jYawPDY.png Opus 4.6 has had many "oops you're right!" gaffes and other annoyances that I let my Claude subscription expire yesterday. Codex has been more consistent and helpful, but it too is still not quite at the point where you can blindly trust it without verifying the output.

by woeirua 6mo ago

Rekindle8090 6mo ago

It's not x, It's y. :^)

FlamingMoe 6mo ago

Claude Cowork is unusably slow on my M1 MacBook Pro. I wonder if Codex is any better; a quick search indicates that it is also an electron app

zozbot234 6mo ago
Codex is a rust TUI app, and it's available as open source. It has nothing to do with Electron.
- gempir 6mo ago
  Codex is both a macOS app and a CLI/TUI app. Their naming is not very clear. The codex desktop app is somewhat of a frontend for the codex cli. By the look and feel of it I would guess it is written with Electron.
- 16bitvoid 6mo ago
  Codex CLI is a TUI app, but Codex App is an actual desktop GUI app. If you actually look at the TFA, you'll see that all of the videos are of the desktop app.
  - conradev 6mo ago
    Yes! and if you install Computer Use from the Codex App you can also use it from the Codex CLI
- bdotdub 6mo ago
  the codex desktop app is electron, as is claudes
- ValentineC 6mo ago
  > Codex is a rust TUI app, and it's available as open source. It has nothing to do with Electron. I just updated Codex and looked inside the macOS app package. It is most definitely still an Electron app.
- deleted 6mo ago
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btown 6mo ago
At least when I tried it last, Claude Cowork tried to spin up an entire virtual machine to sandbox itself properly - and not only is that sandboxing slow to start up, it also makes it difficult to actually interact freely across your filesystem. (Perhaps a feature, not a bug.) Claude Code, on the other hand, has no such issues, if you've done some setup to allow all commands by default (perhaps then setting "ask" for rm, etc.).

firloop 6mo ago

I don't think Claude has this part yet: > With background computer use, Codex can now use all of the apps on your computer by seeing, clicking, and typing with its own cursor. Multiple agents can work on your Mac in parallel, without interfering with your own work in other apps.

krackers 6mo ago
>background computer use How does that even work technically? macOS doesn't support multiple cursors. On native Cocoa apps you can pass input to a window without raising via command+click so possibly they synthesized those events, but fewer and fewer apps support that these days. And AppleScript is basically dead, so they can't be using that either. I also read they acquired the Sky team (who I think were former Apple employees). No wonder they were able to pull of something so slick.
- jjk7 6mo ago
  Probably accessibility APIs
  - krackers 6mo ago
    Which specific ones though allow you to send input to a window without raising it? People have been trying to do "focus follows mouse [without auto raise]" for a long time on mac, and the synthetic event equivalent to command+click is the only discovered method I'm aware of, e.g. used in https://github.com/sbmpost/AutoRaise https://github.com/sbmpost/AutoRaise There is also this old blog post by Yegge [1] which mentions `AXUIElementPostKeyboardEvent` but there were plenty of bugs with that, and I haven't seen anyone else build on it. I guess the modern equivalent is `CGEventPostToPSN`/`CGEventPostToPid`. I guess it's a good candidate though, perhaps the Sky team they acquired knows the right private APIs to use to get this working. Edit: The thread at [2] also has some interesting tidbits, such as Automator.app having "Watch Me Do" which can also do this, and a CLI tool that claims to use the CGEventPostToPid API [3]. Maybe there's more ways to do it than I realized. [1] https://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/04/settling-osx-focus-follows-mouse-debate.html https://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/04/settling-osx-focus-... [2] https://www.macscripter.net/t/keystroke-to-background-app-as-vs-automator/77570 https://www.macscripter.net/t/keystroke-to-background-app-as... [3] https://github.com/socsieng/sendkeys https://github.com/socsieng/sendkeys

dyauspitr 6mo ago

Yeah, it’s probably very similar to my experience where I just tried Codex because I had a ChatGPT subscription found it to be quite powerful and then because I was used to it just ended up getting the pro subscription so I am guessing folks like me have never really used Claude.

jccx70 6mo ago

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com2kid 6mo ago

IMHO no one is really pioneering. A lot more is possible than what is being done. I wrote a blog post about useful agents in a business setting (https://www.generativestorytelling.ai/blog/posts/useful-corporate-agents/ https://www.generativestorytelling.ai/blog/posts/useful-corp...) that highlights AI being proactive. I mean table stakes stuff, why isn't an agent going through all my slack channels and giving me a morning summary of what I should be paying attention to? Why aren't all those meeting transcriptions being joined together into something actually useful? I should be given pre-meeting prep notes about what was discussed last time and who had what to do items assigned. Basic stuff that is already possible but that no one is doing. I swear none of the AI companies have any sense of human centric design. > pull relevant context from Slack, Notion, and your codebase, then provide you with a prioritized list of actions. This is an improvement, but it isn't the central focus. It should be more than just on a single work item basis, more than on just code. If we are going to be managing swarms of AI agents going forward, attention becomes our most valuable resource. AI should be laser focused on helping us decide where to be focused.

a1j9o94 6mo ago
Disclaimer I work at Zapier, but we're doing a ton of this. I have an agent that runs every morning and creates prep documents for my calls. Then a separate one that runs at the end of every week to give me feedback
- com2kid 6mo ago
  In the full blog post I actually go into more detail about automatically creating a knowledge graph of what is being worked on throughout the whole company. There are some really powerful transformative efforts that can be accomplished right now, but that no one is doing. Basic things like detecting common pain points, to automatically figuring out who is the SME for a topic. AIs are really good at categorizations and tagging, heck even before modern LLMs this is something ML could do. But instead we have AI driven code reviews. Code Reviews are rarely the blocker for productivity! As an industry, we need to stop automating the easy stuff and start helping people accomplish the hard stuff!
6mo ago

bze12 6mo ago

It mostly feels like they’re just converging on each other. The latest Claude Mac app release pushed a new UI that looks almost exactly like Codex’s.

tempaccount5050 6mo ago

The first time I tried anthropics version it burned up all its tokens in like 10 minutes and left me stuck in a broken state. So I uninstalled it.

jimbean78 6mo ago

I think your making assumptions without reading the entire thread and processing the general theme. This isn't about catching up or whos better. It really comes down two things. One, how far does your money go, and secondly which political narrative you subscribe too. Up until they started their beef with the u.s. government I was a subscriber. Between that and how fast my tokens depleted I switched to Codex. Best decision of my life and now I never run out of tokens. It was the perfect storm and I would have never switched since the first AI I started with was Claude.

jswny 6mo ago
You want to use the model that is potentially giving your data to the government vs the one that’s openly rejecting that partnership?
- Rohunyyy 6mo ago
  At this point you gotta pick and chose your morality Claude is screwing people on credits and tokens OoenAI is selling three molecules left of your privacy to the government Are those three molecules worth fighting for when your budget is really tight or you are unemployed? Everyone has different priorities

brikym 6mo ago

Clicking UI elements can also be done in Github copilot for vscode, and cursor.

risyachka 6mo ago

Its not like Claude is pioneering those. All that was done prior to all of them by some random startup.

bitexploder 6mo ago

Antigravity off in the corner feeling sad about itself rn.

qingcharles 6mo ago
I love poor forgotten Antigravity. For one, you can use your Gemini account to churn Opus credits until they run out then switch to Gemini 3.1 to finish off.

pigpop 6mo ago

Didn't the original ChatGPT desktop app have computer use first?

grkhetan 6mo ago

??? Codex has more features than Claude Cowork (background computer use, etc)

Razengan 6mo ago

Codex has better UX/UI, but Claude is still way ahead in sheer schizophrenia: https://i.imgur.com/jYawPDY.png https://i.imgur.com/jYawPDY.png Opus 4.6 has had many "oops you're right!" gaffes and other annoyances that I let my Claude subscription expire yesterday. Codex has been more consistent and helpful, but it too is still not quite at the point where you can blindly trust it without verifying the output.