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I don't know where you live, but I have lived in a few cities in the US and cars don't make much noise by themselves, other than people turning music up inside

I don't know where you live, but I have lived in a few cities in the US and cars don't make much noise by themselves, other than people turning music up inside the cars. Car music, in turn, is eclipsed by people turning up music from their homes, which is outpaced by people just screaming on the streets or inside venues.

oblio 6mo ago
Use your favorite chatbot to find out how much noise cars make, at different speeds. And they make that noise constantly. I don't know where you live but people can't scream constantly unless you live in some sort of bazaar.
- pandaman 6mo ago
  As I am not a bot, I can hear things myself without hallucinating chatbots. Try arguing instead of being a redditor.
  - oblio 6mo ago
    There are studies about it[1]. Spend 5 minutes researching instead of being a cranky techbro. A <single> car at 40kmph, and there are a ton more cars on the road than trucks or trains or whatever, already drowns out the average human conversation (68+dB vs ~65dB). And most roads are rated for 50kmph or even higher, even in city centres. Cars are the main noise pollutant in every city in the world (and not only in cities). They raise the baseline noise levels from comparable to forests (~45dB) to louder than the average conversation (~65dB), and they raise that level <everywhere> they go, and they go everywhere, almost all the time. You're looking at outliers with trucks & co, but those are just that, outliers. They're loud and stressful, but they're not there all the time, everywhere. I'm glad you still have functional ears, though. [1] https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sanja-Grubesa/publication/342379310/figure/fig11/AS:905497792233477@1592898905035/Noise-levels-for-different-types-of-vehicles-depending-on-their-speed-17.ppm https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sanja-Grubesa/publicati... [2] Also double LOL at "redditor" insults :-)))
    - pandaman 6mo ago
      It drowns out average human conversation so what? Are you out of context tokens? We are comparing to people blasting music and screaming, not conversing in normal voice. Your knowledge of physics also seems to be lacking - sound levels depends on distance. Roads are much further away from places where humans and animals live than humans themselves (duh).
      - oblio 6mo ago
        Sound levels fall off with distance squared. Also, if you think people can scream constantly, you're sorely mistaken. Ever heard of hoarse voices? Humans can't sustain screaming over long periods of time. Large groups of people can, but then, are we talking about concert venues? Let's be realistic. And regarding music, do you live in the Bronx in the 80s? In most places you can call the cops for music that's too loud. Cars are everywhere in cities. If you're closer than 50m from a street (which is basically everywhere in a city), if you open a window you hear them constantly. Once a busy street has no car traffic, the difference is obvious - the street is very quiet, closer to natural levels, even.
        pandaman 6mo ago
        >Also, if you think people can scream constantly, you're sorely mistaken. At the point when you need to make up arguments for your opponent it's a good time to stop and realize you've lost the argument.

oblio 6mo ago

Use your favorite chatbot to find out how much noise cars make, at different speeds. And they make that noise constantly. I don't know where you live but people can't scream constantly unless you live in some sort of bazaar.

pandaman 6mo ago
As I am not a bot, I can hear things myself without hallucinating chatbots. Try arguing instead of being a redditor.
- oblio 6mo ago
  There are studies about it[1]. Spend 5 minutes researching instead of being a cranky techbro. A <single> car at 40kmph, and there are a ton more cars on the road than trucks or trains or whatever, already drowns out the average human conversation (68+dB vs ~65dB). And most roads are rated for 50kmph or even higher, even in city centres. Cars are the main noise pollutant in every city in the world (and not only in cities). They raise the baseline noise levels from comparable to forests (~45dB) to louder than the average conversation (~65dB), and they raise that level <everywhere> they go, and they go everywhere, almost all the time. You're looking at outliers with trucks & co, but those are just that, outliers. They're loud and stressful, but they're not there all the time, everywhere. I'm glad you still have functional ears, though. [1] https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sanja-Grubesa/publication/342379310/figure/fig11/AS:905497792233477@1592898905035/Noise-levels-for-different-types-of-vehicles-depending-on-their-speed-17.ppm https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sanja-Grubesa/publicati... [2] Also double LOL at "redditor" insults :-)))
  - pandaman 6mo ago
    It drowns out average human conversation so what? Are you out of context tokens? We are comparing to people blasting music and screaming, not conversing in normal voice. Your knowledge of physics also seems to be lacking - sound levels depends on distance. Roads are much further away from places where humans and animals live than humans themselves (duh).
    - oblio 6mo ago
      Sound levels fall off with distance squared. Also, if you think people can scream constantly, you're sorely mistaken. Ever heard of hoarse voices? Humans can't sustain screaming over long periods of time. Large groups of people can, but then, are we talking about concert venues? Let's be realistic. And regarding music, do you live in the Bronx in the 80s? In most places you can call the cops for music that's too loud. Cars are everywhere in cities. If you're closer than 50m from a street (which is basically everywhere in a city), if you open a window you hear them constantly. Once a busy street has no car traffic, the difference is obvious - the street is very quiet, closer to natural levels, even.
      - pandaman 6mo ago
        >Also, if you think people can scream constantly, you're sorely mistaken. At the point when you need to make up arguments for your opponent it's a good time to stop and realize you've lost the argument.