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Except the Swiss are total arseholes about it, they won't even grant citizenship to people born there or who've lived there for twenty years and speak the langu
by vr46 6mo ago
Except the Swiss are total arseholes about it, they won't even grant citizenship to people born there or who've lived there for twenty years and speak the language. Many want to cap total population at 10 million, we'll see what happens in June.
And twelve years ago, the Swiss voted to restrict EU FoM for itself and the backlash was instant.
Can't blame the government, this is the Swiss voting public doing their best to be dickheads.
Japan is a bunch of islands, yes it's pretty closed, but Switzerland is a land-locked village with fewer people than London and entirely dependent on trade and the movement of people and money for all they have, and barely a scrap of a language to call its own. English is super common there, probably as a way of democratically inconveniencing everyone.
- Mainan_Tagonist 6mo agoSuch dickheads the Swiss voting public, how dare they exercise a direct democracy?! So inconveniencing!
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- Mainan_Tagonist 6mo agoDon't muslim citizens and foreign residents in Switzerland enjoy more rights than in pretty much any Muslim country? There is definitely some hostility to some aspects of Islam, aspects which seem to only recently have become central to the exercise of worship for some (the veiling of women for instance), yet this has not translated to some outright discrimination of muslims. Bosnian and Albanian immigrants for instance appear to have been integrated and/or assimilated into society.
- andsoitis 6mo ago> Don't muslim citizens and foreign residents in Switzerland enjoy more rights than in pretty much any Muslim country? That’s a great observation, and probably true in the case of every single liberal western democracy. Especially if you’re a woman, gay, etc.
- selimthegrim 6mo agoI'm pretty sure minarets have been central for a while.
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- rayiner 6mo agoYeah, do they think they have a country or something? Don’t they know they’re just an economic zone between France, Italy, and Germany.
- nslsm 6mo agoIt looks like they are proud of their country and want to keep it as is. They’ve seen what limitless immigration did to other countries and want none of it. Respect to them.
- kakacik 6mo agoThis is the correct reality. If there would be public vote in surrounding countries, ie mosques would be banned there too (btw those standing and having permit before the vote keep functioning). But none of the german, french, italian etc politicians have the balls to let society decide for themselves, controversial topic or not. And people then wonder why in extremely left-leaning country like France there is high popularity for extreme right parties. Maybe british with their one self-kneecaping brexit vote cured them, but public voting in general was never on the table. Swiss are the most free nation globally. At least I havent hears of any on similar level. They vote responsibly, heck they have 3x the amount of immigrants per capita then next top country in Europe, but they want only people who can find work there, plus they host tons of refugees. And yes they dont want to lose their unique identity, they have enough examples around them to be wary and smart. I'd say they do their share and some more
- raw_anon_1111 6mo ago[flagged]
- mothballed 6mo agoI'm not saying you should ban mosques but when they do the whole call to prayer thing at 2am, I understand. Guessing you've never had to sleep any extended period of time near a mosque. If church bells rudely woke me up at 2am I'd understand the church banners too.
- raw_anon_1111 6mo agoWell maybe molesting children and covering it up should be more of a reason to ban churches. But I agree that should come under noise ordinances. I don’t care who someone chooses to worship as long as it doesn’t interfere with me.
- kakacik 6mo agoThis is completely untrue, right after obtaining C permit, you can apply for citizenship since its also 10 year residency requirement. Language requirement is lowest in countries I know, written test is a joke, blindly I did it online and it was above 90% without preparing at all, threshold is around 70% IIRC. Rarely there is committee after that, most people around got it after passing test. Of course if you have active criminal record no point doing that. If you keep going away for 6+ months often it gets reset. If you have obviously lied on your tax return thats an issue too. I know this intimately since right now going through this proces. One american colleague is doing the same. Right now, its much easier than ie in France.
- socalgal2 6mo ago> Except the Swiss are total arseholes about it, they won't even grant citizenship to people born there or who've lived there for twenty years and speak the language. Japan has those issues as well, look up Zainichi Koreans
- decimalenough 6mo agoThese days Zainichi Koreans are granted citizenship pretty much automatically if they request it. But some choose not to, mostly because they prefer to retain Korean citizenship instead (Japan does not allow dual citizenship). Yes, previously they were forced to choose Japanese names to naturalize, but this has not been the case for a long time.
- avadodin 6mo ago> lived there for twenty years and speak the language Which one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Switzerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Switzerland
- FabCH 6mo agoNo country in Europe automatically grants citizenship just because you were born there. That’s a US thing. The closest are places like France where you can get it at 18 if you were born in France and meet a few more criteria. And because Switzerland has mandatory military service, a lot of men born in Switzerland don’t _want_ to naturalize, especially those with EU passports. Switzerland isn’t really that much different from other EU countries when it comes to citizenship, except for the 10 year requirement. That one is on the high side. But for some reason it gets a lot of press as a particularly difficult country to naturalize in.
- triceratops 6mo ago> [Jus soli]'s a US thing More accurately it's a New World thing. Almost all (30 out of 35) of the countries that have jus soli are North or South American. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
- TitaRusell 6mo agoWho cares about citizenship? I know Japanese expats. They don't speak Dutch and they keep their Japanese passport. They just get a permanent residence and everyone is happy. We all know that there are two groups of foreigners: people from first world countries and the rest. Ofcourse the Netherlands constitution says that you have to treat everyone equally but that's just hippie talk.
- workfromspace 6mo agoAre you sure about the Dutch part? AFAIK in almost all EU countries you have to have at least B1 language for permanent residency.
- hollerith 6mo ago>Switzerland is a land-locked village with fewer people than <one of the biggest cities in Europe> and entirely dependent on trade and the movement of people and money for all they have, and barely a scrap of a language to call its own. Everything in that quote has been always been true though, and my guess is that they never allowed significant numbers of migrants at any time from about 800 (i.e., after the end of migration period) until whenever they started letting in large numbers of immigrants (some time after 1990 probably) (but not large enough numbers to suit you, I gather).