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"The typical routes out of MBA programs are managerial or consulting roles." How does this sound: "The typical route for a CS grad is a job as a software engine

by antr 14y ago

"The typical routes out of MBA programs are managerial or consulting roles." How does this sound: "The typical route for a CS grad is a job as a software engineer at SAP". Get it? As a startup founder let me just say that NO degree prepares you for a startup. I guess you are right on one thing, the common denominator: "People with experience" - with my caveat of: regardless of your background. Your comment comes across like a double standard - which I do mention out above.

wpietri 14y ago
I don't get your point. Is there a problem with fresh CS grads expecting to end up in strategic roles at startups? If not, then I'm not seeing why the analogy is relevant. From what I've seen, fresh developer grads expect to take entry-level positions. Fresh MBA grads generally don't; they expect to be listened to as high-level advisors or managers. That is not an unreasonable expectation, in that their programs train them for that. Another way to look at it: It's well-known that large-company execs often adapt poorly to working at startups, partly because they are used to having other people around to do the actual work. An MBA trains people for that sort of large-company position, so it's unsurprising that people fresh out of MBA programs would have the same issues.
- antr 14y ago
  Lets agree to disagree. Clearly your experience and views differ from mine. I'll give up and believe that all MBAs love the red carpet, join startups simply to "strategize" in their $900 chairs, and sing the Kumbaya while developers do the grunt work. This back and forth is a total waste of everyone's time.
  - wpietri 14y ago
    A sarcastic, straw-man flounce is definitely a waste of time. The "agree to disagree thing" only works if you do it graciously.
    - antr 14y ago
      No sarcasm here, I'm simply looking at things from your point of view, based on speculation and acts of faith. Looking through your comments on other threads I can see that you clearly have an "agenda" against MBA grads. Looks like a smart way of using your time. Good luck with that <- this, sarcasm.
      - wpietri 14y ago
        The "I'll give up and believe" was obviously sarcastic. Your interpretation of my position was a straw man, bearing little relationship to what I actually think. I don't believe it was a sincere attempt to look at things from my point of view. I don't have an agenda against MBA grads; many of my friends have MBAs. What I have an agenda against is parts of what the MBA programs teach, and the sense of entitlement that many fresh MBA grads either started with or caught at school. I have this agenda because I believe both are causing real harm to people, and to America as a whole. E.g., what a brace of MBAs did to the Simmons Mattress Company: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/business/economy/05simmons.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/business/economy/05simmons...

by antr 14y ago

wpietri 14y ago

I don't get your point. Is there a problem with fresh CS grads expecting to end up in strategic roles at startups? If not, then I'm not seeing why the analogy is relevant. From what I've seen, fresh developer grads expect to take entry-level positions. Fresh MBA grads generally don't; they expect to be listened to as high-level advisors or managers. That is not an unreasonable expectation, in that their programs train them for that. Another way to look at it: It's well-known that large-company execs often adapt poorly to working at startups, partly because they are used to having other people around to do the actual work. An MBA trains people for that sort of large-company position, so it's unsurprising that people fresh out of MBA programs would have the same issues.

antr 14y ago
Lets agree to disagree. Clearly your experience and views differ from mine. I'll give up and believe that all MBAs love the red carpet, join startups simply to "strategize" in their $900 chairs, and sing the Kumbaya while developers do the grunt work. This back and forth is a total waste of everyone's time.
- wpietri 14y ago
  A sarcastic, straw-man flounce is definitely a waste of time. The "agree to disagree thing" only works if you do it graciously.
  - antr 14y ago
    No sarcasm here, I'm simply looking at things from your point of view, based on speculation and acts of faith. Looking through your comments on other threads I can see that you clearly have an "agenda" against MBA grads. Looks like a smart way of using your time. Good luck with that <- this, sarcasm.
    - wpietri 14y ago
      The "I'll give up and believe" was obviously sarcastic. Your interpretation of my position was a straw man, bearing little relationship to what I actually think. I don't believe it was a sincere attempt to look at things from my point of view. I don't have an agenda against MBA grads; many of my friends have MBAs. What I have an agenda against is parts of what the MBA programs teach, and the sense of entitlement that many fresh MBA grads either started with or caught at school. I have this agenda because I believe both are causing real harm to people, and to America as a whole. E.g., what a brace of MBAs did to the Simmons Mattress Company: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/business/economy/05simmons.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/business/economy/05simmons...