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Go look in a mirror, not at me. That's where the argument is waiting that you're feeling urged toward.
by throwanem 6mo ago
Go look in a mirror, not at me. That's where the argument is waiting that you're feeling urged toward.
- chungusamongus 6mo agoWhat you just said was an elaborate tu quoque fallacy. You aren't comprehending my basic point, which is that individual ethical decisions are not going to make a difference when all of the broader incentives are causing people to act otherwise.
- EinigeKreise 6mo agoThe idea behind principles is that you're supposed to stick to them anyways.
- chungusamongus 6mo agoLets put aside the fact that none of you have coherently outlined what supposed principles are relevent here. The thing worth noting is, the argument presented in the article seems to be consequentialist, and I'm saying it will fail to produce the consequences the author supposedly wants.
- throwanem 6mo agoI have at no point been less than direct, straightforward, and clear. You have radically misunderstood my argument because you are motivated to do so. Mr. Kingsbury, author of the article under discussion, has considerably better sense than I, and so far as I know never comments here. You've radically misunderstood his argument too, though, for what little that knowledge may aid.
- throwanem 6mo agoIf you keep telling yourself that, do you think it will eventually help you sleep at night?
- dilDDoS 6mo agoReally weird that you're basically advocating people to not have principles if they don't align with "broader incentives". Also lol at you pulling the "some people have kids to feed" bullshit in a thread where we're all making way more money than most people.
- throwanem 6mo agoI know lots of families who feed their kids just fine on something less than a quarter million US a year. Just about all the families I know with kids, these days.
- chungusamongus 6mo agoIf we want to get into anecdotes... most of the people I know with kids are seriously struggling. And that aligns more closely with economic data than what you said. Most people do not have a robust emergency fund at all.
- throwanem 6mo agoI understand why you would rather "get into anecdotes" than answer my point. I don't understand why you keep posting, save perhaps that "the guilty flee where no man pursueth." The account you're using is without history or reputation. All you have to do to make this end is stop.
- chungusamongus 6mo agoI did address your point by directly refuting it, and you responded with a total non sequitur. Are you okay buddy? I'm making a relatively basic argument about the ability of households to make ends meet and you're quoting bible passages, looking into my account history, and making random accusations. The guilty flee where none pursueth? You're literally attempting to prosecute me, lmao. But please, "pursueth" away. You are the one who looks a little weird in this scenario. I made my account today because I wanted to comment on this article and I didn't have an account previously. Is that a crime? Are you going to report me to the thought police? Lmao some of the people on here are a little intense. Maybe take some deep breaths and realize I'm not trying to harm you. I wish you the best. I just disagree with the way you think on this particular issue.