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We need ublock origin EVERYWHERE. I actually wrote this before on reddit, before I eventually left reddit due to the censorship. KDE changed a lot and Nate ask

We need ublock origin EVERYWHERE. I actually wrote this before on reddit, before I eventually left reddit due to the censorship. KDE changed a lot and Nate asked for donations via a daemon. I pointed out that we now need to undo pester-ads added by KDE developers. Lo and behold, I was cancelled on #kde reddit. I still think we need something like ublock origin but for EVERYTHING, not just the browser. ublock origin is great for browsers, but there is a lot more that should be filtered away; take bad UI choices made by upstream, not even an ad. Some software allows fine-tuning, where the user can customize the project a bit (firefox UI for instance, you can modify it). We need this on the whole operating system level, not just the browser. That way, as a convenient side effect, Laravel could no longer abuse users like that. I live an ad-free life (well, digital life ... in reallife I still get pointless ads shown). I think every human being should have the option to not have to see ANY ads. The more the industry complains about it, the more I censor away such ad-monsters.

LogicFailsMe 6mo ago
Every time tech invents something amazing, the enshittification follows shortly thereafter.
p4bl0 6mo ago
I also block ads everywhere I can, but I have to admit that an open source project such as KDE showing once a year a simple text notification asking their users to consider making a donation has nothing to do with a commercial ads in my opinion.
mwalser 6mo ago
I'm using KDE as my daily driver and haven't noticed any ads so far. Where can I find these pester-ads?
- p4bl0 6mo ago
  The notification only exists since Plasma 6.2 (august 2024) [1]. Maybe some Linux distribution disable it? [1] https://pointieststick.com/2024/08/28/asking-for-donations-in-plasma/ https://pointieststick.com/2024/08/28/asking-for-donations-i...
  - mwalser 6mo ago
    Ah, thanks for the link. While I don't remember seeing the notification, I think a yearly (!) system notification doesn't exactly qualify as pestering.
- master-lincoln 6mo ago
  I guess they mean this https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/merge_requests/4490 https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/merge_reque...
woutervdb 6mo ago
I agree that there's a strong need for ad blockers nowadays. I also use uBlock Origin on all my browsers. But I'm not sure if a world that is completely devoid of advertising would... work. Advertising (in some form) is a necessary evil, I think. Any business needs customers to make revenue and, well, exist. So any business needs to have some way to make themselves known to potential customers. In the case of Laravel, they offer an open source framework completely for free, and pay for the development man hours through their commercial offerings, e.g. Laravel Cloud. That commercial offering is not bad: they offer a very smooth way to deploy your Laravel project. In order for the offering to make any revenue, potential customers need to know that it exists, at least. They're still free to choose whether they want to use that commercial offering, or if they want to deploy their project on their own. Previously, making sure people knew Laravel Cloud existed was done through the Laravel home page. But nowadays more and more people "consume" a framework's documentation through their AI tooling, and they no longer visit the home page. In a comment [0], which is conveniently being left out of both TFA and most comments on HN, the maintainer even explains that the addition was not meant as a literal advertisement, but as a way to make sure new users of the framework at least _know_ that they can deploy their application on Laravel Cloud. And they are even actively asking for suggestions on how to rephrase the addition so that the AI Tooling does not see it as "you MUST use Laravel Cloud" gospel. [0]: https://github.com/laravel/boost/pull/758#issuecomment-4258925449 https://github.com/laravel/boost/pull/758#issuecomment-42589...
hparadiz 6mo ago
I agree with you about the KDE ads. I also complained about it on Reddit and was downvoted for it. There are way more appropriate ways to communicate this information that isn't a desktop notification.
rglullis 6mo ago
Great. Let's remove all ads and end up all and any form of subdized work. Now, tell me how much you will be contributing to KDE?
tredre3 6mo ago
> I actually wrote this before on reddit, before I eventually left reddit due to the censorship. If you're the same shevy-xyz I've seen in programming subs many years ago, you weren't censored. You were outright unpleasant and condescending to people...

LogicFailsMe 6mo ago

Every time tech invents something amazing, the enshittification follows shortly thereafter.

p4bl0 6mo ago

I also block ads everywhere I can, but I have to admit that an open source project such as KDE showing once a year a simple text notification asking their users to consider making a donation has nothing to do with a commercial ads in my opinion.

mwalser 6mo ago

I'm using KDE as my daily driver and haven't noticed any ads so far. Where can I find these pester-ads?

p4bl0 6mo ago
The notification only exists since Plasma 6.2 (august 2024) [1]. Maybe some Linux distribution disable it? [1] https://pointieststick.com/2024/08/28/asking-for-donations-in-plasma/ https://pointieststick.com/2024/08/28/asking-for-donations-i...
- mwalser 6mo ago
  Ah, thanks for the link. While I don't remember seeing the notification, I think a yearly (!) system notification doesn't exactly qualify as pestering.
master-lincoln 6mo ago
I guess they mean this https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/merge_requests/4490 https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/merge_reque...

woutervdb 6mo ago

I agree that there's a strong need for ad blockers nowadays. I also use uBlock Origin on all my browsers. But I'm not sure if a world that is completely devoid of advertising would... work. Advertising (in some form) is a necessary evil, I think. Any business needs customers to make revenue and, well, exist. So any business needs to have some way to make themselves known to potential customers. In the case of Laravel, they offer an open source framework completely for free, and pay for the development man hours through their commercial offerings, e.g. Laravel Cloud. That commercial offering is not bad: they offer a very smooth way to deploy your Laravel project. In order for the offering to make any revenue, potential customers need to know that it exists, at least. They're still free to choose whether they want to use that commercial offering, or if they want to deploy their project on their own. Previously, making sure people knew Laravel Cloud existed was done through the Laravel home page. But nowadays more and more people "consume" a framework's documentation through their AI tooling, and they no longer visit the home page. In a comment [0], which is conveniently being left out of both TFA and most comments on HN, the maintainer even explains that the addition was not meant as a literal advertisement, but as a way to make sure new users of the framework at least _know_ that they can deploy their application on Laravel Cloud. And they are even actively asking for suggestions on how to rephrase the addition so that the AI Tooling does not see it as "you MUST use Laravel Cloud" gospel. [0]: https://github.com/laravel/boost/pull/758#issuecomment-4258925449 https://github.com/laravel/boost/pull/758#issuecomment-42589...

hparadiz 6mo ago

I agree with you about the KDE ads. I also complained about it on Reddit and was downvoted for it. There are way more appropriate ways to communicate this information that isn't a desktop notification.

rglullis 6mo ago

Great. Let's remove all ads and end up all and any form of subdized work. Now, tell me how much you will be contributing to KDE?

tredre3 6mo ago

> I actually wrote this before on reddit, before I eventually left reddit due to the censorship. If you're the same shevy-xyz I've seen in programming subs many years ago, you weren't censored. You were outright unpleasant and condescending to people...