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maelito 6mo ago
Wait what ? Did you include libraries imported by NPM in this count ?
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- einr 6mo ago
  I don’t think so. I just used a public GitHub LoC counting tool directly on the repo, there are a few. https://ghloc.vercel.app/thunderbird/thunderbolt?branch=main https://ghloc.vercel.app/thunderbird/thunderbolt?branch=main claims 141k and most of it is Typescript.
- Tade0 6mo ago
  I imagine that would bump that number to milions. I just checked one old take home task in Angular I did last year and the total number of lines is over five million over 35k+ files.
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dralley 6mo ago
>120k LoC of probably largely vibecoded nonsense for a window with a text box and a button that lets you send and receive some data over a HTTP API. "I will make loads of assumptions without checking so that I can invent reasons to get mad" Note that about 30,000 of those lines are JSON files for localization and testing, as one example.
- einr 6mo ago
  How much UI text does this thing have that it needs thousands of lines of localization? Where are these files? Especially curious because I see a whole lot of hardcoded english text in there…
- stonogo 6mo ago
  Are you arguing that 90k LoC for a window with a text box and an overengineered textarea tag is somehow more acceptable than 120k?
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- mzajc 6mo ago
  22,056 is not about 30,000. Per scc: Language Files Lines Blanks Comments Code ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────── TypeScript 760 109110 14500 7397 87213 JSON 41 22056 6 0 22050 Markdown 56 7150 2086 0 5064 YAML 33 3965 406 208 3351 ... and many more with fewer than 1k lines Regarding "loads of assumptions," it's hard to tell how much of this is vibecoded slop (definitely non-zero looking at the commit log), but I don't think it's that outrageous to claim 87k sloc is too much for a textbox and an API wrapper.
- glitchc 6mo ago
  That's still an immense amount of code for a chat interface essentially consisting of a text box and a button, which any OS (mobile or desktop) can usually throw up in a few lines of code.
ChrisRR 6mo ago
Maybe you wouldn't be so tired if you didn't make assumptions of things to be mad about
rothific 6mo ago
Hi, I'm on team that worked on this. No it's not vibe coded. We do pretty intense code review of every PR. It looks like the number you're seeing is including lock files and artifacts that are not part of the core coverage.
- einr 6mo ago
  Fair enough if it’s not vibe coded, I’ll take your word for it. Code review seems like it’s mostly bots (Claude, Cursor, Greptile) from the PRs I looked at? Nevertheless, AI use is not what really stood out to me. It’s that it’s SO MUCH CODE. I have no idea how you guys maintain or reason about the quality or security of something like this. Good luck, I guess.
  - eipi10_hn 6mo ago
    Ah yeah, after accusing others that they vibe-code without proofs, no apology and steering the accusations to other things?
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yieldcrv 6mo ago
What fatigues you about this observation? Would recommend exercise
Insimwytim 6mo ago
On the bright side - it doesn't load without javascript ...in Firefox...
- autoexec 6mo ago
  I had to check the comments here to even see what this product was for that reason.
dang 6mo ago
"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." "Please don't fulminate." "Don't be curmudgeonly. Thoughtful criticism is fine, but please don't be rigidly or generically negative." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- einr 6mo ago
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    - dang 6mo ago
      Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly. For example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47798555 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47798555 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47672260 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47672260. That last one was particularly bad! Please don't do that!

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maelito 6mo ago

Wait what ? Did you include libraries imported by NPM in this count ?

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einr 6mo ago
I don’t think so. I just used a public GitHub LoC counting tool directly on the repo, there are a few. https://ghloc.vercel.app/thunderbird/thunderbolt?branch=main https://ghloc.vercel.app/thunderbird/thunderbolt?branch=main claims 141k and most of it is Typescript.
Tade0 6mo ago
I imagine that would bump that number to milions. I just checked one old take home task in Angular I did last year and the total number of lines is over five million over 35k+ files.

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dralley 6mo ago

>120k LoC of probably largely vibecoded nonsense for a window with a text box and a button that lets you send and receive some data over a HTTP API. "I will make loads of assumptions without checking so that I can invent reasons to get mad" Note that about 30,000 of those lines are JSON files for localization and testing, as one example.

einr 6mo ago
How much UI text does this thing have that it needs thousands of lines of localization? Where are these files? Especially curious because I see a whole lot of hardcoded english text in there…
stonogo 6mo ago
Are you arguing that 90k LoC for a window with a text box and an overengineered textarea tag is somehow more acceptable than 120k?
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mzajc 6mo ago
22,056 is not about 30,000. Per scc: Language Files Lines Blanks Comments Code ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────── TypeScript 760 109110 14500 7397 87213 JSON 41 22056 6 0 22050 Markdown 56 7150 2086 0 5064 YAML 33 3965 406 208 3351 ... and many more with fewer than 1k lines Regarding "loads of assumptions," it's hard to tell how much of this is vibecoded slop (definitely non-zero looking at the commit log), but I don't think it's that outrageous to claim 87k sloc is too much for a textbox and an API wrapper.
glitchc 6mo ago
That's still an immense amount of code for a chat interface essentially consisting of a text box and a button, which any OS (mobile or desktop) can usually throw up in a few lines of code.

ChrisRR 6mo ago

Maybe you wouldn't be so tired if you didn't make assumptions of things to be mad about

rothific 6mo ago

Hi, I'm on team that worked on this. No it's not vibe coded. We do pretty intense code review of every PR. It looks like the number you're seeing is including lock files and artifacts that are not part of the core coverage.

einr 6mo ago
Fair enough if it’s not vibe coded, I’ll take your word for it. Code review seems like it’s mostly bots (Claude, Cursor, Greptile) from the PRs I looked at? Nevertheless, AI use is not what really stood out to me. It’s that it’s SO MUCH CODE. I have no idea how you guys maintain or reason about the quality or security of something like this. Good luck, I guess.
- eipi10_hn 6mo ago
  Ah yeah, after accusing others that they vibe-code without proofs, no apology and steering the accusations to other things?
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yieldcrv 6mo ago

What fatigues you about this observation? Would recommend exercise

Insimwytim 6mo ago

On the bright side - it doesn't load without javascript ...in Firefox...

autoexec 6mo ago
I had to check the comments here to even see what this product was for that reason.

dang 6mo ago

"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." "Please don't fulminate." "Don't be curmudgeonly. Thoughtful criticism is fine, but please don't be rigidly or generically negative." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

einr 6mo ago
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  - dang 6mo ago
    Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly. For example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47798555 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47798555 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47672260 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47672260. That last one was particularly bad! Please don't do that!