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We are too far away from the last real war in Europe, which was WWII, and forgot how massive thing it is. Let's start saying that a war or a preparation for it

We are too far away from the last real war in Europe, which was WWII, and forgot how massive thing it is. Let's start saying that a war or a preparation for it is an experience that cannot be expressed wholly by words. Our current life doesn't seem to be anything like that. That's because, IMHO, the war shenanigan is a forced artificial thing, imposed by background global forces just to sell some more weapons and spread some fear and worry. Not much more will happen.

illiac786 6mo ago
Ok, that might be true, but what do you suggest if the aggressor is at your door? Discuss and convince them they are being manipulated?
- tsoukase 6mo ago
  I live in Greece, technically under a continuous more or less hot war with all our neighbours since the last 5 f.. centuries. Coping with aggressivity at group level needs deep historical experience, delicate balance above words and lines and knowing that "the best defense is the attack". Ideally, "the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting", Sun Tzu, but it's difficult, even locally. Leaders like the POTUS, the Chancellor or the "Czar" exert immense influence over the global stuff. Let's press all of them to behave sanely and throw out of their bed the weapon companies. In the 60's the USA had 60000 nuclear warheads, now 5000. Let's make them 60000 again so to stop all conventional wars overnight.
  - illiac786 6mo ago
    Agreed on all of this, they suck, especially the lobbyists pushing weapons. But shouldn’t we start we the likes of Putin? That would significantly lower the demand for weapons. I feel it’s more realistic than getting rid of lobbyists unfortunately. (Still no clue as to how to achieve it though)
    - tsoukase 6mo ago
      Russia is a very volatile region, politically and financially. I believe Putin's aggressiveness is not real but due to pressure from Western dark powers. EVERY war Russia fought outside it's borders was lost. They don't need more land or a silly warm water port. It's the huge sum of power of global weaponry. If we fight them in the USA and Europe, Russia will follow.
      - illiac786 6mo ago
        How can you say it’s “not real”?? Tell this to Ukrainians getting hundreds of missiles shot at them. Do you really believe it’s all a hoax and Russia is not invading/bombing/attacking the Ukraine?
        tsoukase 6mo ago
        Of course it's happening. I am not paranoid. But, the leaders win billions for themselves pushing people to fight. It's not a real intention of the Russian people but of the corrupt Polit-buro that is paid by Lockheed et al. I cannot say it more boldly.
        illiac786 6mo ago
        ah, yeah, ok, I agree (no idea what russian poeple really think, but I can imagine they hate their leaders or at the very least are terrified of them) — but I don’t see how that helps to be honest. If Russian troops attack, the options are “fight back” and “surrender”. Long term, there are other options in order to avoid being in the same position again (kill all arm lobbyists to start with =)

illiac786 6mo ago

Ok, that might be true, but what do you suggest if the aggressor is at your door? Discuss and convince them they are being manipulated?

tsoukase 6mo ago
I live in Greece, technically under a continuous more or less hot war with all our neighbours since the last 5 f.. centuries. Coping with aggressivity at group level needs deep historical experience, delicate balance above words and lines and knowing that "the best defense is the attack". Ideally, "the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting", Sun Tzu, but it's difficult, even locally. Leaders like the POTUS, the Chancellor or the "Czar" exert immense influence over the global stuff. Let's press all of them to behave sanely and throw out of their bed the weapon companies. In the 60's the USA had 60000 nuclear warheads, now 5000. Let's make them 60000 again so to stop all conventional wars overnight.
- illiac786 6mo ago
  Agreed on all of this, they suck, especially the lobbyists pushing weapons. But shouldn’t we start we the likes of Putin? That would significantly lower the demand for weapons. I feel it’s more realistic than getting rid of lobbyists unfortunately. (Still no clue as to how to achieve it though)
  - tsoukase 6mo ago
    Russia is a very volatile region, politically and financially. I believe Putin's aggressiveness is not real but due to pressure from Western dark powers. EVERY war Russia fought outside it's borders was lost. They don't need more land or a silly warm water port. It's the huge sum of power of global weaponry. If we fight them in the USA and Europe, Russia will follow.
    - illiac786 6mo ago
      How can you say it’s “not real”?? Tell this to Ukrainians getting hundreds of missiles shot at them. Do you really believe it’s all a hoax and Russia is not invading/bombing/attacking the Ukraine?
      - tsoukase 6mo ago
        Of course it's happening. I am not paranoid. But, the leaders win billions for themselves pushing people to fight. It's not a real intention of the Russian people but of the corrupt Polit-buro that is paid by Lockheed et al. I cannot say it more boldly.
        illiac786 6mo ago
        ah, yeah, ok, I agree (no idea what russian poeple really think, but I can imagine they hate their leaders or at the very least are terrified of them) — but I don’t see how that helps to be honest. If Russian troops attack, the options are “fight back” and “surrender”. Long term, there are other options in order to avoid being in the same position again (kill all arm lobbyists to start with =)