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The extra line supposes that being smart reduces the chances of getting caught. Which from what I gather isn't very true - being smart can often lead to over c

The extra line supposes that being smart reduces the chances of getting caught. Which from what I gather isn't very true - being smart can often lead to over confidence and making mistakes, and also a lot of crime is not premeditated.

kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
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- mothballed 6mo ago
  Or being disliked by a DoJ who can pressure a judge (who's other legal experience is being a career prosecutor for the feds as well) to not allow many forms of defense, while expending millions upon millions of their own money and "expert witnesses" to tell lies that you can't afford to defend against, and if you will only sign on the dotted line you will only get 3 years instead of a gazillion. This is how they got Samourai Wallet guy to admit to "operating an unlicensed money transmitter" business despite FINCen saying he wasn't even a money transmitter which means how would he even get a license?
- jamilton 6mo ago
  It's still crime if it's moral! I think it's really important to not conflate the law with morality.
  - kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
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    - alphawhisky 6mo ago
      Same, that's why I get super abortions every week. Might even get gay married. If it's not immoral, it's not a crime.
    - 47282847 6mo ago
      You may enjoy the movie “Sovereign”.
      - kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
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        red-iron-pine 6mo ago
        kdhaskjdhadjk is a 1 day old account pushing anti-US and soverign citizen BS remember: this is the loud bot, so that you think you've found all of the agit-prop; it's a distraction. the real shill-botting is far more subtle
        kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
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        junofan 6mo ago
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        mothballed 6mo ago
        >>kdhaskjdhadjk is a 1 day old account pushing anti-US and soverign citizen BS I'm shocked no one has figured out who this is. For anyone that hasn't figured it out -- hi weev! >Your Empire murdered my Cherokee ancestors and made up lies about them; said they were all a bunch of dirty savages. Weev has native american ancestry. >Your Empire murdered my Confederate ancestors and made up lies about them; said they were all a bunch of inbred racist losers. Weev is well known for southern / confederate rhetoric >Your Empire has fucked me over personally in numerous ways that I will never, ever forget or forgive. And no, it wasn't my fault, as you Imperial goons always like to claim about your victims. Weev was falsely convicted under fraudulent jurisdiction, then the morons that did it were forced to release him, and then essentially run out of the country before it could happen again. >Your Empire continues to murder people around the entire world in my name, which despite being against everything I stand for, will in the end only bring more destruction to my doorstep. Weev also has jewish ancestry. >I am only one of a giant growing horde of Others who feel exactly the same way about the crookedness of your dying Empire. Finally, hundreds of years of murder, robbery, and lies are coming to their ultimate conclusion. Many are much less kind and charitable than I. Some of these guys and girls have entire warehouses full of axes to grind, and are establishing machine shops just to grind those axes. Weev used this rhetoric during his trial. >You accuse me of being a bot, but in fact the mindless automaton is you. Your nation is doomed, but you are incapable of perceiving this information as it conflicts with your programming. I predict your future will be a difficult one. This sort of high IQ, boisterous, machine-gunned shock rhetoric followed by Revelations sort of premonitions for his enemies is the exact sort of unique rhetoric weev uses, and the unique application of it is pretty obvious on inspection. There is no on else on HN I've ever read that uses quite this same method of speech in this exact style with the same background (look up user 'rabite' for other examples).
    - wookmaster 6mo ago
      Good luck telling that to a judge
      - mothballed 6mo ago
        It's probably a better system for what to live by. The government can and will imprison anyone they want by a variety of methods they have for putting anyone they want away at any time. If you follow "god's / natural law" as they put it, it is a better guide to whether you will anger some victim who will call the police on you. Most of the rest of the law are just the excuse the powers that be will use for putting you away if the powers that be find you threaten their order. The vast majority of victimless crime laws are selectively chosen to be "enforced" for the actual reason that you've done something to challenge the ruling class, trying to adhere to them as if they are applied as 'rule of law' is probably irrational.
      - kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
        I make it a point to keep a healthy distance between myself and Imperial Officials. During any unavoidable interaction with Imperial Officials, I always pretend subservience and submission. I am aware that many others do also. The result is a large and growing body of people who secretly despise Imperial Officials, while said officials are under the increasingly detached from reality impression that everyone loves them. It usually doesn't end well for them.
  - wat10000 6mo ago
    “Crime” has multiple meanings. It can be used to describe a violation of morality, not just law.
    - card_zero 6mo ago
      That's like a crime against literality.
    - adeelk93 6mo ago
      Wouldn’t that be a sin?
      - wat10000 6mo ago
        Oddly enough, not only can a word have multiple meanings, but a meaning can have multiple words.
    - carefree-bob 6mo ago
      No, crime does not mean violation of morality. It only means violation of the law. Now some people, say, look at a pair of expensive shoes and comically blurt out "these prices are criminal!" That type of usage is a linguistic device known as "exaggeration", but these types of comical exaggerations don't actually change the meaning of words. Like when someone says "You're robbing me!" when a seller proposes a high price, they are not actually changing the meaning of the verb "to rob" and this does not mean that the definition of "to rob" involves charging high prices. That, too, is just an exaggeration.
      - kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
        You don't get to decree whatever it is that you like and then call it "law". If a "law" is un-Constitutional, as most US "laws" are--or in violation of the highest laws of the Universe (the Laws of Nature), as the most US "laws" are--then it is not law. It's the scribblings of a tyrant. There just might be an entire army of goons ready to enforce that so-called "law." With an Empire, there always is. But any so-called "law" enacted without permission of the The People are in fact the workings of a tyrant and deserve no serious consideration among free individuals, except whatever minimum is necessary to protect oneself from the tyrant while awaiting (and planning for) his inevitable downfall.
- wat10000 6mo ago
  Likewise a lot of crime isn’t “crime” at all. Kill someone by putting lead in their lungs by means of a firearm and we call it murder and you go to prison. Do it by dumping lead into the air from your factory smokestack and we call it business and you get rich.
  - kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
    Murder some foreigner at the behest of your empire and they'll call you a hero and pin shiny medals to your chest. Kill the guy who ordered you to murder the foreigner and they'll call you a murderer and feel self-righteous when they murder you.
- RealityVoid 6mo ago
  > it's just exercising freedom in a way that the system and its adherents don't like. Yes, that is what the law is, by definition. A reduction in freedom. Most times, for very good reason.
  - kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
    At least 80-90% of US laws are in fact un-Constitutional. Furthermore, any secular law that is in conflict with the laws of God (laws of Nature) is immoral, and therefore null and void. So the War on Drugs for example and all of the "laws" connected with it, are not actually law. It's the scribblings of tyrants.
    - mothballed 6mo ago
      And 80-90% of the adherence to 80-90% of those laws are self-imposed. Once upon a time I used to buy tamales from a guy on the street corner. He was probably breaking half a dozen business licensing and preparation laws by doing his little street corner business. HN dwellers would mostly debate for days about getting the right license or some other silly nonsense. Meanwhile tamale man is cooking, tamale man is selling, tamale man is doing his thing. Is he paying his taxes? Who knows. No one ever bothered to find out and from what I can tell nothing ever happened to him. There's also probably the majority of the US who just make up laws that don't exist and then enforce it against themselves. Most people think they have to give an ID to a cop if he asks for it on the street.
      - kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
        They assume everything is illegal and self police because that's what the tyrant programmed them to do. Same effect in HN comments also. Many people hold back from expressing their real views here because they are afraid to run afoul of the Flag Police. They actually did change that law. Citizens of the Great Empire are now required to identify themselves to any cop who asks their name. For the childrens. The "show him your government ID which you are now required to keep on you" part hasn't yet been instated, but it's coming. That will be introduced along with a whole heap of other big anti-freedom changes (like Central Bank Digital Currency) during the coming World War.

kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago

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mothballed 6mo ago
Or being disliked by a DoJ who can pressure a judge (who's other legal experience is being a career prosecutor for the feds as well) to not allow many forms of defense, while expending millions upon millions of their own money and "expert witnesses" to tell lies that you can't afford to defend against, and if you will only sign on the dotted line you will only get 3 years instead of a gazillion. This is how they got Samourai Wallet guy to admit to "operating an unlicensed money transmitter" business despite FINCen saying he wasn't even a money transmitter which means how would he even get a license?
jamilton 6mo ago
It's still crime if it's moral! I think it's really important to not conflate the law with morality.
- kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
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  - alphawhisky 6mo ago
    Same, that's why I get super abortions every week. Might even get gay married. If it's not immoral, it's not a crime.
  - 47282847 6mo ago
    You may enjoy the movie “Sovereign”.
    - kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
      [flagged]
      - red-iron-pine 6mo ago
        kdhaskjdhadjk is a 1 day old account pushing anti-US and soverign citizen BS remember: this is the loud bot, so that you think you've found all of the agit-prop; it's a distraction. the real shill-botting is far more subtle
        kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
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        junofan 6mo ago
        [dead]
        mothballed 6mo ago
        >>kdhaskjdhadjk is a 1 day old account pushing anti-US and soverign citizen BS I'm shocked no one has figured out who this is. For anyone that hasn't figured it out -- hi weev! >Your Empire murdered my Cherokee ancestors and made up lies about them; said they were all a bunch of dirty savages. Weev has native american ancestry. >Your Empire murdered my Confederate ancestors and made up lies about them; said they were all a bunch of inbred racist losers. Weev is well known for southern / confederate rhetoric >Your Empire has fucked me over personally in numerous ways that I will never, ever forget or forgive. And no, it wasn't my fault, as you Imperial goons always like to claim about your victims. Weev was falsely convicted under fraudulent jurisdiction, then the morons that did it were forced to release him, and then essentially run out of the country before it could happen again. >Your Empire continues to murder people around the entire world in my name, which despite being against everything I stand for, will in the end only bring more destruction to my doorstep. Weev also has jewish ancestry. >I am only one of a giant growing horde of Others who feel exactly the same way about the crookedness of your dying Empire. Finally, hundreds of years of murder, robbery, and lies are coming to their ultimate conclusion. Many are much less kind and charitable than I. Some of these guys and girls have entire warehouses full of axes to grind, and are establishing machine shops just to grind those axes. Weev used this rhetoric during his trial. >You accuse me of being a bot, but in fact the mindless automaton is you. Your nation is doomed, but you are incapable of perceiving this information as it conflicts with your programming. I predict your future will be a difficult one. This sort of high IQ, boisterous, machine-gunned shock rhetoric followed by Revelations sort of premonitions for his enemies is the exact sort of unique rhetoric weev uses, and the unique application of it is pretty obvious on inspection. There is no on else on HN I've ever read that uses quite this same method of speech in this exact style with the same background (look up user 'rabite' for other examples).
  - wookmaster 6mo ago
    Good luck telling that to a judge
    - mothballed 6mo ago
      It's probably a better system for what to live by. The government can and will imprison anyone they want by a variety of methods they have for putting anyone they want away at any time. If you follow "god's / natural law" as they put it, it is a better guide to whether you will anger some victim who will call the police on you. Most of the rest of the law are just the excuse the powers that be will use for putting you away if the powers that be find you threaten their order. The vast majority of victimless crime laws are selectively chosen to be "enforced" for the actual reason that you've done something to challenge the ruling class, trying to adhere to them as if they are applied as 'rule of law' is probably irrational.
    - kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
      I make it a point to keep a healthy distance between myself and Imperial Officials. During any unavoidable interaction with Imperial Officials, I always pretend subservience and submission. I am aware that many others do also. The result is a large and growing body of people who secretly despise Imperial Officials, while said officials are under the increasingly detached from reality impression that everyone loves them. It usually doesn't end well for them.
- wat10000 6mo ago
  “Crime” has multiple meanings. It can be used to describe a violation of morality, not just law.
  - card_zero 6mo ago
    That's like a crime against literality.
  - adeelk93 6mo ago
    Wouldn’t that be a sin?
    - wat10000 6mo ago
      Oddly enough, not only can a word have multiple meanings, but a meaning can have multiple words.
  - carefree-bob 6mo ago
    No, crime does not mean violation of morality. It only means violation of the law. Now some people, say, look at a pair of expensive shoes and comically blurt out "these prices are criminal!" That type of usage is a linguistic device known as "exaggeration", but these types of comical exaggerations don't actually change the meaning of words. Like when someone says "You're robbing me!" when a seller proposes a high price, they are not actually changing the meaning of the verb "to rob" and this does not mean that the definition of "to rob" involves charging high prices. That, too, is just an exaggeration.
    - kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
      You don't get to decree whatever it is that you like and then call it "law". If a "law" is un-Constitutional, as most US "laws" are--or in violation of the highest laws of the Universe (the Laws of Nature), as the most US "laws" are--then it is not law. It's the scribblings of a tyrant. There just might be an entire army of goons ready to enforce that so-called "law." With an Empire, there always is. But any so-called "law" enacted without permission of the The People are in fact the workings of a tyrant and deserve no serious consideration among free individuals, except whatever minimum is necessary to protect oneself from the tyrant while awaiting (and planning for) his inevitable downfall.
wat10000 6mo ago
Likewise a lot of crime isn’t “crime” at all. Kill someone by putting lead in their lungs by means of a firearm and we call it murder and you go to prison. Do it by dumping lead into the air from your factory smokestack and we call it business and you get rich.
- kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
  Murder some foreigner at the behest of your empire and they'll call you a hero and pin shiny medals to your chest. Kill the guy who ordered you to murder the foreigner and they'll call you a murderer and feel self-righteous when they murder you.
RealityVoid 6mo ago
> it's just exercising freedom in a way that the system and its adherents don't like. Yes, that is what the law is, by definition. A reduction in freedom. Most times, for very good reason.
- kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
  At least 80-90% of US laws are in fact un-Constitutional. Furthermore, any secular law that is in conflict with the laws of God (laws of Nature) is immoral, and therefore null and void. So the War on Drugs for example and all of the "laws" connected with it, are not actually law. It's the scribblings of tyrants.
  - mothballed 6mo ago
    And 80-90% of the adherence to 80-90% of those laws are self-imposed. Once upon a time I used to buy tamales from a guy on the street corner. He was probably breaking half a dozen business licensing and preparation laws by doing his little street corner business. HN dwellers would mostly debate for days about getting the right license or some other silly nonsense. Meanwhile tamale man is cooking, tamale man is selling, tamale man is doing his thing. Is he paying his taxes? Who knows. No one ever bothered to find out and from what I can tell nothing ever happened to him. There's also probably the majority of the US who just make up laws that don't exist and then enforce it against themselves. Most people think they have to give an ID to a cop if he asks for it on the street.
    - kdhaskjdhadjk 6mo ago
      They assume everything is illegal and self police because that's what the tyrant programmed them to do. Same effect in HN comments also. Many people hold back from expressing their real views here because they are afraid to run afoul of the Flag Police. They actually did change that law. Citizens of the Great Empire are now required to identify themselves to any cop who asks their name. For the childrens. The "show him your government ID which you are now required to keep on you" part hasn't yet been instated, but it's coming. That will be introduced along with a whole heap of other big anti-freedom changes (like Central Bank Digital Currency) during the coming World War.