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No, I'm not going to do that. And here's why: because if you have an excuse, everyone has an excuse. And if everyone has an excuse, the entire system falls apar

No, I'm not going to do that. And here's why: because if you have an excuse, everyone has an excuse. And if everyone has an excuse, the entire system falls apart. I'll reiterate what I said above: entertainment and software are not life's essentials. Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by being denied access to them.

squigz 7mo ago
> Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by being denied access to them. Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by us pirating them, either. On the other hand, I bet there have been some pretty serious repercussions due to the sweeping bans like in TFA.
- otterley 7mo ago
  > Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by us pirating them, either. The logic here is quite simple: if you don't have to pay, nobody else has to pay, either, because you're not special. If nobody pays, then people who make media and software won't get paid, and production will slow to a crawl. You'll have destroyed the very thing you seem to desire enough to steal. How does this not make sense to you?
  - squigz 7mo ago
    Maybe because I'm not so arrogant as to imply everyone has to have the same views and act the same way as me, nor to imply that my view is the only right one. But nah, you're right. Nobody has to pay. Everybody should pirate. Now, that's been true for decades, of course. So why hasn't the entire system fallen apart?
    - otterley 7mo ago
      > I'm not so arrogant Believing oneself to be special and above the law such that one feels justified in trampling on others' rights is textbook arrogance.
      - squigz 7mo ago
        Not everyone in the world is subject to the same laws. To say nothing of what all that means when those laws are unjust and themselves serve to trample on individuals' rights.
        otterley 7mo ago
        > Not everyone in the world is subject to the same laws. Are you? > To say nothing of what all that means when those laws are unjust and themselves serve to trample on individuals' rights. What rights are you speaking of, exactly?
        necovek 7mo ago
        They are not: if they never travel to Afghanistan or Ethiopia, they will not be subject to their laws. Laws change even in the same region, so it is also temporal. And one can work to change the laws too. But it does not make sense, you have your pre-defined opinion and you are sticking with it, and we do not buy your argument, so it's best we agree to disagree here.

squigz 7mo ago

> Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by being denied access to them. Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by us pirating them, either. On the other hand, I bet there have been some pretty serious repercussions due to the sweeping bans like in TFA.

otterley 7mo ago
> Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by us pirating them, either. The logic here is quite simple: if you don't have to pay, nobody else has to pay, either, because you're not special. If nobody pays, then people who make media and software won't get paid, and production will slow to a crawl. You'll have destroyed the very thing you seem to desire enough to steal. How does this not make sense to you?
- squigz 7mo ago
  Maybe because I'm not so arrogant as to imply everyone has to have the same views and act the same way as me, nor to imply that my view is the only right one. But nah, you're right. Nobody has to pay. Everybody should pirate. Now, that's been true for decades, of course. So why hasn't the entire system fallen apart?
  - otterley 7mo ago
    > I'm not so arrogant Believing oneself to be special and above the law such that one feels justified in trampling on others' rights is textbook arrogance.
    - squigz 7mo ago
      Not everyone in the world is subject to the same laws. To say nothing of what all that means when those laws are unjust and themselves serve to trample on individuals' rights.
      - otterley 7mo ago
        > Not everyone in the world is subject to the same laws. Are you? > To say nothing of what all that means when those laws are unjust and themselves serve to trample on individuals' rights. What rights are you speaking of, exactly?
        necovek 7mo ago
        They are not: if they never travel to Afghanistan or Ethiopia, they will not be subject to their laws. Laws change even in the same region, so it is also temporal. And one can work to change the laws too. But it does not make sense, you have your pre-defined opinion and you are sticking with it, and we do not buy your argument, so it's best we agree to disagree here.