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Maybe it's not about the money primarily. There are enough parties out there that want the people behind Anna's archive behind bars and I'm afraid this will end

Maybe it's not about the money primarily. There are enough parties out there that want the people behind Anna's archive behind bars and I'm afraid this will end the same way as for the Pirate Bay guys in the best case and like it ended for Aaron Schwartz in the worst.

ffsm8 6mo ago
Fwiw, piratebay continues to be the -to my knowledge- biggest public tracker out there, with basically every media production available. And I think that was his point. They may ruin some people's life's... but aside from that, they achieve nothing.
- nalekberov 6mo ago
  Those are just crappy replicas of 'The Pirate Bay'. Full of annoying junk ads. 1337x is probably the biggest public tracker.
  - bpavuk 6mo ago
    and even 1337x is too annoying to use at times compared to RuTracker
    - nalekberov 6mo ago
      yeah, rutracker is to my knowledge the biggest and "cleanest" semi-public tracker.
- erkt 6mo ago
  Just visited two nights ago and was pleasantly surprised to see domains active with fresh magnets. The people are returning to nature.
  - dmbche 6mo ago
    It never stopped!
- ghostly_s 6mo ago
  > basically every media production available. not sure why you made this claim as its not at all germane to the discussion but this isn't even remotely true.
- lurk2 6mo ago
  > piratebay continues to be the -to my knowledge- biggest public tracker out there It has been compromised for more than a decade. The site is impossible to navigate without an adblocker due to malicious redirect ads and most of the major torrents are being monitored by rights management companies who will notify the user’s ISP of suspected infringement.
  - creatonez 6mo ago
    All public torrents are monitored by the movie studios, that has nothing to do with how The Pirate Bay is run. Users can just hop jurisdictions with a VPN and use these public torrents without ever getting any complaint letters.
hkt 6mo ago
Not necessarily. More cheerful examples exist, usually outside the west: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Elbakyan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Elbakyan
Salgat 6mo ago
If the operators of Anna's Archive live somewhere like Russia or China, there's a good chance nothing will ever come of any of this legal action. Anna's Archive's biggest challenge is just maintaining availability of infrastructure.
- baranul 6mo ago
  If they were not physically in Russia or similar country out of the jurisdiction of the court, then they have likely moved to one or operate from one. At this point, the court is just a willing instrument of corporate anger and assistant to help vent their frustration. The secondary purpose, is to erode rights and privacy, for a continual surveillance state and gain as much control over the DNS infrastructure as possible.
  - alsetmusic 6mo ago
    You really ought to read about what happened to Steven Donziger. One of the most corrupt cases I've ever heard of. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Donziger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Donziger
    - MSFT_Edging 6mo ago
      For folks who don't feel like clicking through: Chevron hired a private prosecutor who was friends with the judge who took the case, to prosecute Donziger after he won a case outside of the US against Chevron.
- weinzierl 6mo ago
  That’s a big if. My bet is that they are in Central or Northern Europe, just like the Pirate Bay people. Unlikely anyone in Russia or China would care to offer a service primarily to the benefit of the western world. I bet there are similar sites in the Runet or behind the Great Firewall we don't even know about and that simply don't bother catering to us.
  - jampekka 6mo ago
giancarlostoro 6mo ago
Or you know, MegaUpload. Raided at his home, while congress was trying to pass a bill, that allowed them to... stop online piracy... apparently, they REALLY needed that bill in order to do so.
walletdrainer 6mo ago
> like it ended for Aaron Schwartz in the worst. They’ll… be offered 4 months in prison, or 6 months with an opportunity to ask the judge for less? I don’t know about you, but to me that seems way more chill than how the TPB guys were treated!
- stackghost 6mo ago
  > > like it ended for Aaron Schwartz in the worst. >They’ll… be offered 4 months in prison, or 6 months with an opportunity to ask the judge for less? Surely the implication is that they'll end up being found dead, as happened to Aaron Swartz.
  - walletdrainer 6mo ago
    Is the implication then that Aaron Swartz was murdered?
lurk2 6mo ago
They are almost certainly being financed by the AI lobby as they have been open about providing API access to companies training AI in exchange for “donations.”[1][2][3] Having all of this data available online for free gives those looking for training data plausible deniability. It would turn into a huge legal headache if OpenAI had scraped Spotify directly, but if they launder it through a third party they can at least try to argue they weren’t responsible for the infringement. Spotify got started doing the same thing, though.[4] [1]: https://annas-archive.gl/blog/llms-txt.html https://annas-archive.gl/blog/llms-txt.html (“Making an enterprise-level donation will get you fast SFTP access to all the files, which is faster than torrents.”) [2]: https://annas-archive.gl/blog/duxiu-exclusive.html https://annas-archive.gl/blog/duxiu-exclusive.html (“We’re looking for some company or institution to help us with OCR and text extraction for a massive collection we acquired, in exchange for exclusive early access. After the embargo period, we will of course release the entire collection.”) [3]: https://annas-archive.gl/donate https://annas-archive.gl/donate (“Enterprise-level donation or exchange for new collections (e.g. new scans, OCR’ed datasets). […] We welcome large donations from wealthy individuals or institutions. For donations over $5,000, please contact us directly at Contact email.”) [4]: https://torrentfreak.com/spotifys-beta-used-pirate-mp3-files-some-from-pirate-bay-170509/ https://torrentfreak.com/spotifys-beta-used-pirate-mp3-files... (“Rumors that early versions of Spotify used ‘pirate’ MP3s have been floating around the Internet for years. People who had access to the service in the beginning later reported downloading tracks that contained ‘Scene’ labeling, tags, and formats, which are the tell-tale signs that content hadn’t been obtained officially.”)

ffsm8 6mo ago

Fwiw, piratebay continues to be the -to my knowledge- biggest public tracker out there, with basically every media production available. And I think that was his point. They may ruin some people's life's... but aside from that, they achieve nothing.

nalekberov 6mo ago
Those are just crappy replicas of 'The Pirate Bay'. Full of annoying junk ads. 1337x is probably the biggest public tracker.
- bpavuk 6mo ago
  and even 1337x is too annoying to use at times compared to RuTracker
  - nalekberov 6mo ago
    yeah, rutracker is to my knowledge the biggest and "cleanest" semi-public tracker.
erkt 6mo ago
Just visited two nights ago and was pleasantly surprised to see domains active with fresh magnets. The people are returning to nature.
- dmbche 6mo ago
  It never stopped!
ghostly_s 6mo ago
> basically every media production available. not sure why you made this claim as its not at all germane to the discussion but this isn't even remotely true.
lurk2 6mo ago
> piratebay continues to be the -to my knowledge- biggest public tracker out there It has been compromised for more than a decade. The site is impossible to navigate without an adblocker due to malicious redirect ads and most of the major torrents are being monitored by rights management companies who will notify the user’s ISP of suspected infringement.
- creatonez 6mo ago
  All public torrents are monitored by the movie studios, that has nothing to do with how The Pirate Bay is run. Users can just hop jurisdictions with a VPN and use these public torrents without ever getting any complaint letters.

hkt 6mo ago

Not necessarily. More cheerful examples exist, usually outside the west: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Elbakyan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Elbakyan

Salgat 6mo ago

If the operators of Anna's Archive live somewhere like Russia or China, there's a good chance nothing will ever come of any of this legal action. Anna's Archive's biggest challenge is just maintaining availability of infrastructure.

baranul 6mo ago
If they were not physically in Russia or similar country out of the jurisdiction of the court, then they have likely moved to one or operate from one. At this point, the court is just a willing instrument of corporate anger and assistant to help vent their frustration. The secondary purpose, is to erode rights and privacy, for a continual surveillance state and gain as much control over the DNS infrastructure as possible.
- alsetmusic 6mo ago
  You really ought to read about what happened to Steven Donziger. One of the most corrupt cases I've ever heard of. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Donziger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Donziger
  - MSFT_Edging 6mo ago
    For folks who don't feel like clicking through: Chevron hired a private prosecutor who was friends with the judge who took the case, to prosecute Donziger after he won a case outside of the US against Chevron.
weinzierl 6mo ago
That’s a big if. My bet is that they are in Central or Northern Europe, just like the Pirate Bay people. Unlikely anyone in Russia or China would care to offer a service primarily to the benefit of the western world. I bet there are similar sites in the Runet or behind the Great Firewall we don't even know about and that simply don't bother catering to us.
- jampekka 6mo ago

giancarlostoro 6mo ago

Or you know, MegaUpload. Raided at his home, while congress was trying to pass a bill, that allowed them to... stop online piracy... apparently, they REALLY needed that bill in order to do so.

walletdrainer 6mo ago

> like it ended for Aaron Schwartz in the worst. They’ll… be offered 4 months in prison, or 6 months with an opportunity to ask the judge for less? I don’t know about you, but to me that seems way more chill than how the TPB guys were treated!

stackghost 6mo ago
> > like it ended for Aaron Schwartz in the worst. >They’ll… be offered 4 months in prison, or 6 months with an opportunity to ask the judge for less? Surely the implication is that they'll end up being found dead, as happened to Aaron Swartz.
- walletdrainer 6mo ago
  Is the implication then that Aaron Swartz was murdered?

lurk2 6mo ago

They are almost certainly being financed by the AI lobby as they have been open about providing API access to companies training AI in exchange for “donations.”[1][2][3] Having all of this data available online for free gives those looking for training data plausible deniability. It would turn into a huge legal headache if OpenAI had scraped Spotify directly, but if they launder it through a third party they can at least try to argue they weren’t responsible for the infringement. Spotify got started doing the same thing, though.[4] [1]: https://annas-archive.gl/blog/llms-txt.html https://annas-archive.gl/blog/llms-txt.html (“Making an enterprise-level donation will get you fast SFTP access to all the files, which is faster than torrents.”) [2]: https://annas-archive.gl/blog/duxiu-exclusive.html https://annas-archive.gl/blog/duxiu-exclusive.html (“We’re looking for some company or institution to help us with OCR and text extraction for a massive collection we acquired, in exchange for exclusive early access. After the embargo period, we will of course release the entire collection.”) [3]: https://annas-archive.gl/donate https://annas-archive.gl/donate (“Enterprise-level donation or exchange for new collections (e.g. new scans, OCR’ed datasets). […] We welcome large donations from wealthy individuals or institutions. For donations over $5,000, please contact us directly at Contact email.”) [4]: https://torrentfreak.com/spotifys-beta-used-pirate-mp3-files-some-from-pirate-bay-170509/ https://torrentfreak.com/spotifys-beta-used-pirate-mp3-files... (“Rumors that early versions of Spotify used ‘pirate’ MP3s have been floating around the Internet for years. People who had access to the service in the beginning later reported downloading tracks that contained ‘Scene’ labeling, tags, and formats, which are the tell-tale signs that content hadn’t been obtained officially.”)