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Agree. Google can't go against the all-mighty state. Just look at what Anthropic did and the effect of that action. There are billions of dollars at stake on go

Agree. Google can't go against the all-mighty state. Just look at what Anthropic did and the effect of that action. There are billions of dollars at stake on government contracts that they can't afford to lose. Reminds me of Mullvad's ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPzvUW8qaWY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPzvUW8qaWY

applfanboysbgon 6mo ago
Google is a multi-trillion dollar company that brings in $50b+ a year from Youtube alone, its government contracts are a pittance and it could absolutely do without them. There is no defense for complying in advance with a wannabe-fascist regime, especially when said regime is operating illegally.
- andyjohnson0 6mo ago
  I completely agree. But this argument would be incomprehensible to the class of people who own Google and similar corporations.
izacus 6mo ago
The whole notion that Google (or Apple or anyone else) should ignore and flaunt the state is insane by itself. I don't want megacorps to ignore our EU laws just like I don't want them to ignore US laws. They're not people, they don't get the right to disobedience.
- applfanboysbgon 6mo ago
  It is the US administration that is flaunting the law, not Google. Nobody is actually asking Google to break the law, they are in fact asking it to follow the law by not complying with illegal requests.
  - izacus 6mo ago
    Which requests in this case were illegal? And isn't legality established by the person suing the government in this case and not megacorp playing the lawyer?
    - applfanboysbgon 6mo ago
      ICE's use of "administrative subpoenas" and other executive tactics are in violation of the 4th Amendment of the Constitution. To operate legally, their request would need to be approved by a judge. That's not even a high bar, given the judiciary rubber-stamps the vast majority of warrants, but they can't even be bothered with that. The article points out that Google used to notify users of exactly this kind of request specifically so that the victim of the crime had time to challenge the subpoena in court, where it would be tossed out without giving away their private information, but now people are no longer being given a chance to defend themselves from abuse by Google's complicity.

applfanboysbgon 6mo ago

Google is a multi-trillion dollar company that brings in $50b+ a year from Youtube alone, its government contracts are a pittance and it could absolutely do without them. There is no defense for complying in advance with a wannabe-fascist regime, especially when said regime is operating illegally.

andyjohnson0 6mo ago
I completely agree. But this argument would be incomprehensible to the class of people who own Google and similar corporations.

izacus 6mo ago

The whole notion that Google (or Apple or anyone else) should ignore and flaunt the state is insane by itself. I don't want megacorps to ignore our EU laws just like I don't want them to ignore US laws. They're not people, they don't get the right to disobedience.

applfanboysbgon 6mo ago
It is the US administration that is flaunting the law, not Google. Nobody is actually asking Google to break the law, they are in fact asking it to follow the law by not complying with illegal requests.
- izacus 6mo ago
  Which requests in this case were illegal? And isn't legality established by the person suing the government in this case and not megacorp playing the lawyer?
  - applfanboysbgon 6mo ago
    ICE's use of "administrative subpoenas" and other executive tactics are in violation of the 4th Amendment of the Constitution. To operate legally, their request would need to be approved by a judge. That's not even a high bar, given the judiciary rubber-stamps the vast majority of warrants, but they can't even be bothered with that. The article points out that Google used to notify users of exactly this kind of request specifically so that the victim of the crime had time to challenge the subpoena in court, where it would be tossed out without giving away their private information, but now people are no longer being given a chance to defend themselves from abuse by Google's complicity.