Last year I joined a big Chinese startup and, after eight years in China, I discovered something: the best hackers in China are not those you would find in plac

Last year I joined a big Chinese startup and, after eight years in China, I discovered something: the best hackers in China are not those you would find in places haunted by foreigners, they would not be working for foreign companies, they don't necessarily like to speak English, even if they follow closely what happens outside. Under these circumstances, many people naturally mistake the cheap and shallow folks they shake hands with in bars for the normal Chinese geek, and conclude it's not that impressive. It's an observation bias. There are many top level Chinese nerds, they are very busy making sites like taobao work.