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No, I don't really see the slippery slope. If there were such a slope, I would imagine that decades into this piracy thing, we'd be sliding down it. Yet most pe

by squigz 6mo ago

No, I don't really see the slippery slope. If there were such a slope, I would imagine that decades into this piracy thing, we'd be sliding down it. Yet most people don't pirate. Strange?

otterley 6mo ago
So you really don't understand that it should be OK for everyone to pirate if it's OK for you? Would you ever tell someone it's not OK? If so, why? And what makes you special and different?
- necovek 6mo ago
  We aren't saying anything you are implying. You've started with a retort to a point that some who would never pay for some copyrighted work are not a loss to copyright owner if they illegally use their work. You've since expanded to everyone and SW development, and want to extend it to people who are willing to pay for the value a particular work provides them. So let's go back to the beginning: can you please quantify how big is a loss to the copyright owner if one watches a movie they would skip if the only option was to pay for it?
  - otterley 6mo ago
    No, I'm not going to do that. And here's why: because if you have an excuse, everyone has an excuse. And if everyone has an excuse, the entire system falls apart. I'll reiterate what I said above: entertainment and software are not life's essentials. Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by being denied access to them.
    - squigz 6mo ago
      > Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by being denied access to them. Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by us pirating them, either. On the other hand, I bet there have been some pretty serious repercussions due to the sweeping bans like in TFA.
      - otterley 6mo ago
        > Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by us pirating them, either. The logic here is quite simple: if you don't have to pay, nobody else has to pay, either, because you're not special. If nobody pays, then people who make media and software won't get paid, and production will slow to a crawl. You'll have destroyed the very thing you seem to desire enough to steal. How does this not make sense to you?
        squigz 6mo ago
        Maybe because I'm not so arrogant as to imply everyone has to have the same views and act the same way as me, nor to imply that my view is the only right one. But nah, you're right. Nobody has to pay. Everybody should pirate. Now, that's been true for decades, of course. So why hasn't the entire system fallen apart?
        otterley 6mo ago
        > I'm not so arrogant Believing oneself to be special and above the law such that one feels justified in trampling on others' rights is textbook arrogance.
        squigz 6mo ago
        Not everyone in the world is subject to the same laws. To say nothing of what all that means when those laws are unjust and themselves serve to trample on individuals' rights.
        otterley 6mo ago
        > Not everyone in the world is subject to the same laws. Are you? > To say nothing of what all that means when those laws are unjust and themselves serve to trample on individuals' rights. What rights are you speaking of, exactly?
        6mo ago

by squigz 6mo ago

No, I don't really see the slippery slope. If there were such a slope, I would imagine that decades into this piracy thing, we'd be sliding down it. Yet most people don't pirate. Strange?

otterley 6mo ago

So you really don't understand that it should be OK for everyone to pirate if it's OK for you? Would you ever tell someone it's not OK? If so, why? And what makes you special and different?

necovek 6mo ago
We aren't saying anything you are implying. You've started with a retort to a point that some who would never pay for some copyrighted work are not a loss to copyright owner if they illegally use their work. You've since expanded to everyone and SW development, and want to extend it to people who are willing to pay for the value a particular work provides them. So let's go back to the beginning: can you please quantify how big is a loss to the copyright owner if one watches a movie they would skip if the only option was to pay for it?
- otterley 6mo ago
  No, I'm not going to do that. And here's why: because if you have an excuse, everyone has an excuse. And if everyone has an excuse, the entire system falls apart. I'll reiterate what I said above: entertainment and software are not life's essentials. Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by being denied access to them.
  - squigz 6mo ago
    > Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by being denied access to them. Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by us pirating them, either. On the other hand, I bet there have been some pretty serious repercussions due to the sweeping bans like in TFA.
    - otterley 6mo ago
      > Nobody's going to be seriously harmed by us pirating them, either. The logic here is quite simple: if you don't have to pay, nobody else has to pay, either, because you're not special. If nobody pays, then people who make media and software won't get paid, and production will slow to a crawl. You'll have destroyed the very thing you seem to desire enough to steal. How does this not make sense to you?
      - squigz 6mo ago
        Maybe because I'm not so arrogant as to imply everyone has to have the same views and act the same way as me, nor to imply that my view is the only right one. But nah, you're right. Nobody has to pay. Everybody should pirate. Now, that's been true for decades, of course. So why hasn't the entire system fallen apart?
        otterley 6mo ago
        > I'm not so arrogant Believing oneself to be special and above the law such that one feels justified in trampling on others' rights is textbook arrogance.
        squigz 6mo ago
        Not everyone in the world is subject to the same laws. To say nothing of what all that means when those laws are unjust and themselves serve to trample on individuals' rights.
        otterley 6mo ago
        > Not everyone in the world is subject to the same laws. Are you? > To say nothing of what all that means when those laws are unjust and themselves serve to trample on individuals' rights. What rights are you speaking of, exactly?
        6mo ago