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WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted. No one at Meta can read your messages.

by hikarudo 6mo ago

cute_boi 6mo ago
How are we sure that it is really end-to-end encrypted?
- lossyalgo 6mo ago
  Moxie Marlinspike (founder of Signal) [0]implemented the same E2EE algorithm as Signal (Signal Protocol) into WhatsApp, but that was 10 years ago, so who knows if things have changed since then. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie_Marlinspike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie_Marlinspike
- dTal 6mo ago
  Practically speaking, it isn't secure; no closed app can be. It receives regular compulsory updates (old versions refuse to work) and there's nothing at all stopping Zuck from sneaking in backdoors targeted at you personally.
righthand 6mo ago
If I can log into whatsapp on a new device and old messages aren’t encrypted then they have a copy of your key and it is not true e2e encryption.
- Mordisquitos 6mo ago
  Try logging in on a new device and putting your main device into aeroplane mode as soon as the login succeeds. Loading of old messages on the new device will stop.
- lukebennett 6mo ago
  You can't unless you've chosen to back up your WhatsApp messages to iCloud/Google in which case it's Apple/Google responsible for preserving the messages and subject to their encryption standards, nothing to do with Meta.
1vuio0pswjnm7 6mo ago
Saw this exact claim on a billboard not too long ago It's a strangely worded statement. What about data collection, metadata, other third parties Maybe it's related to the fact that plaintiffs lawyers are now trying to verify what's going on inside Meta with WhatsApp through litigation discovery: https://ia801607.us.archive.org/10/items/gov.uscourts.cand.463150/gov.uscourts.cand.463150.1.0.pdf https://ia801607.us.archive.org/10/items/gov.uscourts.cand.4... Meta's motion to dismiss seemed a little weak. Time will tell https://ia801607.us.archive.org/10/items/gov.uscourts.cand.463150/gov.uscourts.cand.463150.29.0.pdf https://ia801607.us.archive.org/10/items/gov.uscourts.cand.4... Hearing will likely be sometime this summer
- commandersaki 6mo ago
  What about data collection, metadata, other third parties How does any of that result in Meta reading your messages?

WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted. No one at Meta can read your messages.

cute_boi 6mo ago

How are we sure that it is really end-to-end encrypted?

lossyalgo 6mo ago
Moxie Marlinspike (founder of Signal) [0]implemented the same E2EE algorithm as Signal (Signal Protocol) into WhatsApp, but that was 10 years ago, so who knows if things have changed since then. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie_Marlinspike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie_Marlinspike
dTal 6mo ago
Practically speaking, it isn't secure; no closed app can be. It receives regular compulsory updates (old versions refuse to work) and there's nothing at all stopping Zuck from sneaking in backdoors targeted at you personally.

righthand 6mo ago

If I can log into whatsapp on a new device and old messages aren’t encrypted then they have a copy of your key and it is not true e2e encryption.

Mordisquitos 6mo ago
Try logging in on a new device and putting your main device into aeroplane mode as soon as the login succeeds. Loading of old messages on the new device will stop.
lukebennett 6mo ago
You can't unless you've chosen to back up your WhatsApp messages to iCloud/Google in which case it's Apple/Google responsible for preserving the messages and subject to their encryption standards, nothing to do with Meta.

1vuio0pswjnm7 6mo ago

Saw this exact claim on a billboard not too long ago It's a strangely worded statement. What about data collection, metadata, other third parties Maybe it's related to the fact that plaintiffs lawyers are now trying to verify what's going on inside Meta with WhatsApp through litigation discovery: https://ia801607.us.archive.org/10/items/gov.uscourts.cand.463150/gov.uscourts.cand.463150.1.0.pdf https://ia801607.us.archive.org/10/items/gov.uscourts.cand.4... Meta's motion to dismiss seemed a little weak. Time will tell https://ia801607.us.archive.org/10/items/gov.uscourts.cand.463150/gov.uscourts.cand.463150.29.0.pdf https://ia801607.us.archive.org/10/items/gov.uscourts.cand.4... Hearing will likely be sometime this summer

commandersaki 6mo ago
What about data collection, metadata, other third parties How does any of that result in Meta reading your messages?