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> There is only one formula for healthy and refreshing sleep: Go to sleep only when you are very tired. Not earlier. Not later. Wake up naturally without an ala

> There is only one formula for healthy and refreshing sleep: Go to sleep only when you are very tired. Not earlier. Not later. Wake up naturally without an alarm clock. This is very easy to say when you're not suffering from insomnia and other sleep disorders.

thisisauserid 6mo ago
>> sleep only when you are very tired This flies in the face of all sleep research done at the Stanford Health Care’s Sleep Medicine Center. You're confusing treatment for insomnia with recommendations for general sleep hygiene.
DiffTheEnder 6mo ago
Wake up without an alarm clock is surely beneficial regardless of when you go to sleep?
- sd9 6mo ago
  I'm sure it is. It's difficult with a full time job though. Yes, in principle it can be made easier by going to bed earlier... but that's not simple either.
- integralid 6mo ago
  I try to explain this to my wife, my baby, and my dayjob but they refuse to listen.
dbvn 6mo ago
or have even a single obligation in the morning
dkarl 6mo ago
Advice like this turns almost everybody's normal state into a disorder. "Go to sleep only when you are very tired" is a child's approach to sleep, it's what we all want to do, and by adulthood we learn that it's counterproductive. But we still want it so much that we regularly test it and are reminded why we don't operate that way. It reminds me of the intuitive eating folks who say, "Ignore standard diet advice, just listen to your body and feed it what it knows you need," but then when you overeat, they say, "You aren't listening properly, you aren't in tune with your body." Then if you ask, "How will I know when I'm in tune with my body and listening to it properly?" they say, "When what it asks for matches standard diet advice."
physicles 6mo ago
He does go on to say “this is basically impossible if you want to live in society”, but yeah the order in which the information is communicated isn’t optimal for skimming.
thi2 6mo ago
Or having to work, I'm not sure my boss would understand me missing half the morning because I was free running my sleep.

thisisauserid 6mo ago

>> sleep only when you are very tired This flies in the face of all sleep research done at the Stanford Health Care’s Sleep Medicine Center. You're confusing treatment for insomnia with recommendations for general sleep hygiene.

DiffTheEnder 6mo ago

Wake up without an alarm clock is surely beneficial regardless of when you go to sleep?

sd9 6mo ago
I'm sure it is. It's difficult with a full time job though. Yes, in principle it can be made easier by going to bed earlier... but that's not simple either.
integralid 6mo ago
I try to explain this to my wife, my baby, and my dayjob but they refuse to listen.

dbvn 6mo ago

or have even a single obligation in the morning

dkarl 6mo ago

Advice like this turns almost everybody's normal state into a disorder. "Go to sleep only when you are very tired" is a child's approach to sleep, it's what we all want to do, and by adulthood we learn that it's counterproductive. But we still want it so much that we regularly test it and are reminded why we don't operate that way. It reminds me of the intuitive eating folks who say, "Ignore standard diet advice, just listen to your body and feed it what it knows you need," but then when you overeat, they say, "You aren't listening properly, you aren't in tune with your body." Then if you ask, "How will I know when I'm in tune with my body and listening to it properly?" they say, "When what it asks for matches standard diet advice."

physicles 6mo ago

He does go on to say “this is basically impossible if you want to live in society”, but yeah the order in which the information is communicated isn’t optimal for skimming.

thi2 6mo ago

Or having to work, I'm not sure my boss would understand me missing half the morning because I was free running my sleep.