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Well, unless you decided to use GNOME, then you get rugpulled by a bunch of people that think they know better than user what user wants and actively ignore any

Well, unless you decided to use GNOME, then you get rugpulled by a bunch of people that think they know better than user what user wants and actively ignore any feedback

cdmckay 7mo ago
You can always fork it if you don’t like the choices they make That’s the point the OP is trying to make about the advantage of open source
- ldng 7mo ago
  And people did but it is hard against Redhat that has actively made harder and harder to use Gtk+ outside GNOME.
  - jdiff 7mo ago
    What changes have been implemented in GTK that make it harder to use outside of a GNOME environment?
    - mghackerlady 7mo ago
      practically everything in GTK 4. It removed menu bars ffs
      - jasomill 7mo ago
        As far as I can tell, every major version of GTK should be thought of as an entirely separate project, and nothing in GTK 4 made GTK 3 or GTK 2 harder to use.
        antisol 7mo ago
        Please link me to the python3 gtk2 library so that I can migrate all my python2 gtk2 software to python3 without rewriting the entire UI. Thanks in advance!
        em-bee 7mo ago
        what does make GTK2 harder to use is that it is not supported anymore. you can't build or run GKT2 based apps on new systems without building the GTK2 libraries yourself.
    - Lammy 7mo ago
      https://adrienplazas.com/blog/2021/03/31/introducing-libadwaita.html https://adrienplazas.com/blog/2021/03/31/introducing-libadwa...
- bandrami 7mo ago
  That's happened like three times to the extent that the forks are more widely installed than the original
antisol 7mo ago
Hey! Someone sneaked into my brain and wrote down my exact comment!
gtk40 7mo ago
But you can also use MATE still to this day, or even Cinnamon.
badsectoracula 7mo ago
There are forks though. The only version i don't think that has a fork is GNOME 1 but... the code is out there (and there is an actively maintained GTK1-based toolkit that was posted here not too long ago, though you may need to make some modifications to the GNOME 1 code to work with it as IIRC it isn't backwards compatible). People made CDE to work on modern systems and IIRC CDE wasn't even compatible with Linux when the code was first released.

Well, unless you decided to use GNOME, then you get rugpulled by a bunch of people that think they know better than user what user wants and actively ignore any feedback

cdmckay 7mo ago

You can always fork it if you don’t like the choices they make That’s the point the OP is trying to make about the advantage of open source

ldng 7mo ago
And people did but it is hard against Redhat that has actively made harder and harder to use Gtk+ outside GNOME.
- jdiff 7mo ago
  What changes have been implemented in GTK that make it harder to use outside of a GNOME environment?
  - mghackerlady 7mo ago
    practically everything in GTK 4. It removed menu bars ffs
    - jasomill 7mo ago
      As far as I can tell, every major version of GTK should be thought of as an entirely separate project, and nothing in GTK 4 made GTK 3 or GTK 2 harder to use.
      - antisol 7mo ago
        Please link me to the python3 gtk2 library so that I can migrate all my python2 gtk2 software to python3 without rewriting the entire UI. Thanks in advance!
      - em-bee 7mo ago
        what does make GTK2 harder to use is that it is not supported anymore. you can't build or run GKT2 based apps on new systems without building the GTK2 libraries yourself.
  - Lammy 7mo ago
    https://adrienplazas.com/blog/2021/03/31/introducing-libadwaita.html https://adrienplazas.com/blog/2021/03/31/introducing-libadwa...
bandrami 7mo ago
That's happened like three times to the extent that the forks are more widely installed than the original

antisol 7mo ago

Hey! Someone sneaked into my brain and wrote down my exact comment!

gtk40 7mo ago

But you can also use MATE still to this day, or even Cinnamon.

badsectoracula 7mo ago

There are forks though. The only version i don't think that has a fork is GNOME 1 but... the code is out there (and there is an actively maintained GTK1-based toolkit that was posted here not too long ago, though you may need to make some modifications to the GNOME 1 code to work with it as IIRC it isn't backwards compatible). People made CDE to work on modern systems and IIRC CDE wasn't even compatible with Linux when the code was first released.