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I just use telegram. Just yesterday I setup a bot which is easy via botfather And also, setup an app (claude built it but I had to fiddle with it, it works li
by faangguyindia 6mo ago
I just use telegram.
Just yesterday I setup a bot which is easy via botfather
And also, setup an app (claude built it but I had to fiddle with it, it works like pagerduty) but uses cloudflate worker to push downtime/errors (via fcm) in production (from graphana) via webhooks to "full screen, by pass dnd, alerts, with loud music, this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0IQBWWabuU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0IQBWWabuU )
I named the app "Siren".
It's not straightforward to have durable hard to miss alerts about your production enviornment but good thing is this doesn't cost a cent.
Telegram group alerts are from my teammates (small team 3 members) via bot.
And Siren is for only me as I am responsible for the backend with 10 microservices, centralized logging via graphana, alloy, loki, and for metrics Prometheus.
It's all working reasonably well for me, this makes your life so much better as you fix the issues before they turn into nightmare.
- taminka 6mo agoit's really unfortunate that telegram doesn't do e2ee, bc it's hands down the best messenger otherwise :(
- tazjin 6mo agoIt does, but only for chats between two specific devices. Multi-device support is one of its best features that you lose with E2E. Key distribution is just too hard. I think we won't get a messenger for non-tech people that works well with multi-device and E2E basically ever.
- ymolodtsov 6mo agoIt's called iMessage. It's possible, Telegram just doesn't care. All their differentiating features (large groups, channels, device sync) is directly enabled by the lack of encryption.
- taminka 6mo agothey do have encryption, just not e2ee, and in fairness to them, it doesn't make sense to have e2ee on a channel or a group with 100k ppl in it, also device sync is possible with e2ee, it's just a slower
- tcfhgj 6mo agoyou can have large groups and device sync WITH e2ee, see Matrix.
- ymolodtsov 6mo agoAny Matrix client I tried lagged even without chats though.
- lxgr 6mo agoWhat are you talking about? WhatsApp, iMessage, and Signal all have multi-device support and are E2E encrypted, just to name a few very popular options.
- taminka 6mo agowhatsapp, facebook messenger, imessage all support multi-device and it's pretty convenient, in fairness to telegram they launched a bit before double ratched was invented, but still, they've had over a decade to switch to it...
- stavros 6mo agoWhatsApp doesn't support multi-device. You can't have it installed on two phones at once.
- taminka 6mo agoyou can (https://faq.whatsapp.com/1046791737425017/?cms_platform=android https://faq.whatsapp.com/1046791737425017/?cms_platform=andr...) they even have it on fb messenger and instagram (though they recently removed e2ee completely from instagram lol)
- stavros 6mo agoThat's still one device. If you turn the primary phone off, the secondary device stops working. WhatsApp just proxies everything through the primary device, it's like WhatsApp Web.
- taminka 6mo agooh, i see, is it the same for facebook messenger and instagram, imessage, etc?
- stavros 6mo agoI don't know, I don't use those. It is for Signal, I don't think so for Instagram, since I don't think that encrypts end to end.
- lxgr 6mo agoIt's not true for Signal either. Why don't you try it for yourself instead of spreading outdated (at best) information? Signal supports native multi-device capabilities without relaying everything through the "primary" device.
- tcfhgj 6mo agoMatrix
- rafaelmn 6mo agoFrom what I understand you can have secure chats e2ee ? I like that I can login from multiple devices and continue the conversation. This was always annoying with whatsapp and signal. Worst case is mildly embarrassing stuff leaks.
- lxgr 6mo ago> From what I understand you can have secure chats e2ee ? Not with bots, though. > I like that I can login from multiple devices and continue the conversation This is also not possible with Telegram E2E, while it is with Signal and WhatsApp.
- neya 6mo agoSecond this. Their API is such a breeze and it is so much more automation friendly than any other messenger platform. It has a good adoption % too, otherwise Signal is the real winner if we account for privacy.
- tcfhgj 6mo agoEven more automation friendly than Matrix?
- neya 6mo agoUnfortunately, I haven't used Matrix personally enough to comment, sorry. But, I've heard only good things about it so far.
- morphology 6mo agoIt's a bit less automation-friendly because the UX is not great when the bot doesn't have its own phone number (which costs money). I think it has better privacy, though. Matrix server operators can read message metadata.
- tcfhgj 6mo agoTelegram server operators can read message meta data and messages
- morphology 6mo agoYou're right, Matrix is a much better option than Telegram. I misread the thread as comparing Signal to Matrix.
- jeanlucas 6mo agoI personally don't use whatsapp because I like it, but because all my contacts in my country are over there. It is officially more used than SMS here. It is not optional in my case :/
- gsich 6mo agoSMS is unsafe anyway.
- baq 6mo agozuck can read your whatsapp messages, at this point I think I'd rather criminals and the government read them instead
- hikarudo 6mo agoWhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted. No one at Meta can read your messages.
- cute_boi 6mo agoHow are we sure that it is really end-to-end encrypted?
- lossyalgo 6mo agoMoxie Marlinspike (founder of Signal) [0]implemented the same E2EE algorithm as Signal (Signal Protocol) into WhatsApp, but that was 10 years ago, so who knows if things have changed since then. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie_Marlinspike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie_Marlinspike
- dTal 6mo agoPractically speaking, it isn't secure; no closed app can be. It receives regular compulsory updates (old versions refuse to work) and there's nothing at all stopping Zuck from sneaking in backdoors targeted at you personally.
- risyachka 6mo ago[flagged]
- pawsocks 6mo agoWas this on a desktop? I'd think it's far more likely malware or a browser extension is hijacking your clipboard
- eamag 6mo agoDo you have a proof?
- chaoz_ 6mo agoWhat even is this claim? Telegram is compromised? Some telegram bot/group got compromised? Is there any proof of the global telegram issue related to amex links? Sounds like BS
- pratyahava 6mo agoplease provide a proof. if this is the case, then telegram is not to be trusted. but it needs to be proven. otherwise a lot of people trust their business and personal data to telegram.
- el_io 6mo agoAre you using any custom telegram client?
- johnpork343 6mo agoi say cap
- PUSH_AX 6mo ago> I just use telegram. And how do you just get everyone you want to speak to use telegram?
- BeetleB 6mo agoI'll second the "Telegram is great for bots". It's the reason OpenClaw users use it. I stopped using OpenClaw a while ago, but I did vibe code the very basic automations I had used OpenClaw for. Getting it to work with Telegram was trivial. I don't use Telegram for chatting. In fact, I try not to use any IM tools with humans. ;-)