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Why do people consistently and falsely believe that they have privacy in public settings? You are literally out in public. If you don't want your behavior in pu
by otterley 7mo ago
Why do people consistently and falsely believe that they have privacy in public settings? You are literally out in public. If you don't want your behavior in public to be observed, then either don't behave in such a way that you wouldn't want observed, or stay home.
UPDATE: don't conflate stalking with observation. These are not the same. You can observe, but you cannot intimidate.
- themafia 7mo agoWould you mind if I parked near your house, such that every morning, when you drove past, I could follow you. To work, to the store, to the gym, you know, wherever. Then on the way home I'll park where I left off. If anyone asks me I'll them everything I know about you. It's "public" information after all.
- otterley 7mo agoShould I be concerned that you're stalking me, or that you know this information? The former is illegal, the latter is not.
- themafia 7mo agoFlock can alert when any specific car drives by. No warrant is required to use this feature. So, I won't follow you, but when you _do_ leave, I'm going to call some people to let them know that happened. Still cool?
- otterley 7mo agoEat your heart out. It's also a completely legitimate law enforcement technique.
- lucaspm98 7mo agoHaving this surveillance done by human beings rate limits the process to, in theory, focus it on actual criminals. Requiring warrants for the more invasive and persistent techniques adds another layer of accountability.
- otterley 7mo agoYou're bootstrapping your argument with an assumption that there's something to account for. Public activities are public. You're shifting the accountability from the actor to the observer.
- cindyllm 7mo ago[dead]
- SecretDreams 7mo agoSo you'd be cool with us crowdsourcing a film crew to follow you and your family around in public at all times?
- otterley 7mo agoShould I be concerned that you're stalking me, or that you know this information? The former is illegal, the latter is not.
- SecretDreams 7mo agoWhat's the difference in outcome between passive stalking by having sufficient cameras to capture everyone's actions at all times and active stalking with a film crew?
- otterley 7mo agoIntimidation and threatening behavior. Context matters.
- SecretDreams 7mo agoIt is intimidating and threatening to most normal people for their wearabouts to be tracked at all times, regardless of the mode. Take this opportunity to learn that different people might have different thresholds to feel intimidated and that normal people don't feel comfortable being tracked at all times in real life, regardless of the mechanism by which it's being executed. In the above example, maybe you feel uncomfortable because the film crew is following you around in broad daylight? Would you feel better if they stayed hidden like the flock cameras in this example?
- otterley 7mo agoThey're not being tracked at all times in real life. They're potentially being tracked in public. I get that some people have a desire for privacy in public. And I'm even sympathetic to it. However, with the exception of the EU, privacy in public not is a right, nor is it a thing most people believe they possess. (And even ECHR Article 8 has a carveout for recording public activities for legitimate purposes.) If you think you should have such privacy rights, by all means, use the political process to achieve it. But note that it's not cost-free, and there will be tradeoffs.
- lucaspm98 7mo agoEvery entrance to my neighborhood has a Flock camera from my local police department. Tracking the exact time I enter and leave my home is at the very least right at this line you’re trying to draw.
- M3L0NM4N 7mo agoHow that information is accessed and/or used is where the distinction lies.