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> And wtf do you need a gun for anyway? One of the reasons that Switzerland, a country te size of Bay Area, with 9M current population, has not been overrun by

by nine_k 7mo ago

> And wtf do you need a gun for anyway? One of the reasons that Switzerland, a country te size of Bay Area, with 9M current population, has not been overrun by the many wars in Europe for last 200 years is that every citizen is expected to fight back, without formally joining a military force for that. All men have to serve in the military for a couple of months to get the basic training, obtain and master a small arms weapon, and keep it where they live. (The ammo is not provided though.) Every few years the citizens should show up for several weeks of refresher training. This is very close to the idea that an armed population is a backstop against tyranny, but much better implemented. Per-capita firearm-related deaths in Switzerland are 7 times lower than in the US, and firearm-related homicide rate, 20 times lower. Truth be told, firearm ownership per capita is still about 4 times lower in Switzerland. Maybe they also are doing something more right with mentally ill people, who in the US often receive little help.

marcus_holmes 7mo ago
> This is very close to the idea that an armed population is a backstop against tyranny, but much better implemented. The last few months have disproved this completely. Literal plain-clothes masked thugs seizing people off the streets en masse, and there have only been a handful of cases of armed civilians resisting. And I disagree that Switzerland preserved itself during WW2 because the forces that stomped all over the professional armies of Europe are afraid of an armed civilian population. That just doesn't make sense.
Orygin 7mo ago
> has not been overrun by the many wars in Europe for last 200 years is that every citizen is expected to fight back Lol this is so gun-brained, even for an American. Switzerland has not been "overrun" because they are in the freaking mountains. Gun or not, good luck invading mountain cliffs.
- nine_k 7mo ago
  Napoleon somehow did not have very much trouble doing just that back in the day. But it's of course not limited to small arms distributed among the population. There are many more preparations done in advance, like rocks prepared to block roads if an explosive charge is detonated. Same with various bridges and railroad choke points. There's a large network of shelters and bunkers, kept in a good shape. Etc, etc. The point is not that a huge army (like Hitler's in 1940) would not be able to overrun Swiss resistance. The point is that the cost of such an invasion would be prohibitively high. It serves as a good deterrent.
  - Orygin 7mo ago
    You proved my point. Doesn't really have to do with the gun owning population but to the unique geography of the country giving them a massive advantage.
Dig1t 7mo ago
>Per-capita firearm-related deaths in Switzerland are 7 times lower than in the US If you break gun violence down in the US by race, you get results that are much closer to Europe. >Nationally, the U.S. gun homicide rate (per 100,000 people) in 2020 was 26.6 for people identified as Non-Hispanic Black, compared to 2.2 for those identified as Non-Hispanic white and 4.5 for Hispanic individuals of any race. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10209993/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10209993/ And indeed you can observe the gun homicide rate in Sweden has doubled since 2016 precisely because of demographic change. Sweden: 2016: 0.301 2017: 0.398 2018: 0.423 2019: 0.438 2020: 0.463 2021:0.430 2022: 0.597
mike50 7mo ago
Not the money laundering, the mined bridges the fact that major international banks are based there or being a major supplier of weapons and formerly troops.

by nine_k 7mo ago

marcus_holmes 7mo ago

> This is very close to the idea that an armed population is a backstop against tyranny, but much better implemented. The last few months have disproved this completely. Literal plain-clothes masked thugs seizing people off the streets en masse, and there have only been a handful of cases of armed civilians resisting. And I disagree that Switzerland preserved itself during WW2 because the forces that stomped all over the professional armies of Europe are afraid of an armed civilian population. That just doesn't make sense.

Orygin 7mo ago

> has not been overrun by the many wars in Europe for last 200 years is that every citizen is expected to fight back Lol this is so gun-brained, even for an American. Switzerland has not been "overrun" because they are in the freaking mountains. Gun or not, good luck invading mountain cliffs.

nine_k 7mo ago
Napoleon somehow did not have very much trouble doing just that back in the day. But it's of course not limited to small arms distributed among the population. There are many more preparations done in advance, like rocks prepared to block roads if an explosive charge is detonated. Same with various bridges and railroad choke points. There's a large network of shelters and bunkers, kept in a good shape. Etc, etc. The point is not that a huge army (like Hitler's in 1940) would not be able to overrun Swiss resistance. The point is that the cost of such an invasion would be prohibitively high. It serves as a good deterrent.
- Orygin 7mo ago
  You proved my point. Doesn't really have to do with the gun owning population but to the unique geography of the country giving them a massive advantage.

Dig1t 7mo ago

>Per-capita firearm-related deaths in Switzerland are 7 times lower than in the US If you break gun violence down in the US by race, you get results that are much closer to Europe. >Nationally, the U.S. gun homicide rate (per 100,000 people) in 2020 was 26.6 for people identified as Non-Hispanic Black, compared to 2.2 for those identified as Non-Hispanic white and 4.5 for Hispanic individuals of any race. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10209993/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10209993/ And indeed you can observe the gun homicide rate in Sweden has doubled since 2016 precisely because of demographic change. Sweden: 2016: 0.301 2017: 0.398 2018: 0.423 2019: 0.438 2020: 0.463 2021:0.430 2022: 0.597

mike50 7mo ago

Not the money laundering, the mined bridges the fact that major international banks are based there or being a major supplier of weapons and formerly troops.