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The 3d printer gun legislation has been rearing its head in a bunch of states this year, and generally with very similar patterns. I suspect some of the pro-gun

The 3d printer gun legislation has been rearing its head in a bunch of states this year, and generally with very similar patterns. I suspect some of the pro-gun-control groups have been pushing it to lawmakers given most legislation is basically copy-pastes from lobbying groups at both the state and federal level. Colorado, Washington, New York, and now California have all floated legislation attempting to make device-level restrictions around the issue. I only followed Washington's in depth, and they ended up removing all the requirements on manufactures, but did criminalize possession of files which I suspect won't hold up to a first amendment challenge.

MisterTea 6mo ago
I really think all of this is the result of Mangione. Regulating 3D printers has been talked about for years with no action. Then a year after the CEO of a large well known company is killed with a 3D printed gun the states are suddenly pushing highly invasive 3D printing laws. It's no coincidence NY was the first to push for such a law, the state where said CEO was killed.
- WillPostForFood 6mo ago
  No, this is Everytown USA model legislation. They wrote it, and are lobbying for it. https://everytownsupportfund.org/press/new-everytown-report-highlights-urgent-policy-actions-needed-to-combat-3d-printed-guns/ https://everytownsupportfund.org/press/new-everytown-report-...
  - MisterTea 6mo ago
    Yes, third paragraph: "The shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson ..." who was killed by Mangione with a 3D printed gun. Did you forget who the killer was?
    - hrimfaxi 6mo ago
      This is not the result of Mangione, Mangione is just their excuse for the push.
      - MisterTea 6mo ago
        I think there is a misunderstanding as you are stating the same point I am making. Either way, no point in further arguing this. There wasn't enough fear before the Thompson killing. If a ghost gun killed some plebeian nobody, meh. But a business magnate? Horrible! We need to do something! NOW! The wealthy have immense power and this is that power being projected in form of fear of the armed common man. CEO's are scared, and not just the ones in health insurance. Look at what recently happened to Sam Altman where someone hurled a molotov cocktail at his home. After the Thompson killing I was in a meeting with a CEO who's net worth is in the upper 9 digits who was himself concerned for his safety (not in health insurance). He mentioned talking to a security firm and spoke of others in his circle who are also concerned and increasing security as well. They are scared. They are taking action.
    - ragazzina 6mo ago
      >who was killed by Mangione Isn't there presumption of innocence in the USA?
- throw1234567891 6mo ago
  You’d think they’d regulate guns instead.
  - some_random 6mo ago
    Guns are nationally regulated and further regulated by every state pushing this drivel.
    - throw1234567891 6mo ago
      [flagged]
  - tt24 6mo ago
    I’m sorry, is it your opinion that guns aren’t currently regulated?
    - throw1234567891 6mo ago
      Not enough judging by the number of people killed with guns in the US.
      - tt24 6mo ago
        Not what the parent comment said
bmurphy1976 6mo ago
LM has a whole series of videos that touches on this (as well as some related topics): https://www.youtube.com/@LoyalMoses/videos https://www.youtube.com/@LoyalMoses/videos Louis Rossman also touched on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS-9ISzMhBM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS-9ISzMhBM I've seen more by others but can't recall them all. Without going too far down a conspiracy theory rabbit hole, the momentum for this seems to be coming from a variety of sources: * New York being New York and trying to make thinking about guns a thought crime * There's European company (forget the name) that makes specialized software that can do this. They're lobbying so they can inject themselves for some tasty rent seeking. * A variety of companies that see right-to-repair (and thus home 3D printers, CNC-milling, etc.) a threat to their bottom lines. * General ignorance by our law makers Edit: And I personally think instead of doing stupid bullshit like this, we should be giving EVERY kid who wants one a free 3D Printer so they can learn to tinker, be creative, and build things. That's how we create that spark that leads to the next generation of makers. Without that our country will continue to be the country that can no longer build things.
- cgannett 6mo ago
  Literally giving children the means of production is way out of line. To the corporate owned gulag with you! /s
- simplyluke 6mo ago
  > we should be giving EVERY kid who wants one a free 3D Printer so they can learn to tinker, be creative, and build things Totally agree. Ironically, I think it'd do a lot more to reduce gun violence than any of these laws given the primary factors in gun violence are 1) being poor and not having good options out of poverty and 2) being a man between the ages of like 15-25 I'm just young enough that I had a high school teacher who was able to get some level of support from the district to run an elective engineering course and had a few of the very early consumer-grade printers that were terrible compared to a modern printer. I was already down the programming rabbit hole at that point, but it was absolutely foundational in me realizing that "you can build things" didn't only apply to the digital. I really wish we'd have similar in just about every school. So many of my peers think that the ability to fabricate basic things and work on anything physical is substantially harder than it actually is (to the level of thinking they'd need similar effort it took them to learn to code to learn to work on their car), and so never do it. If you can reason about a C compiler, you can definitely learn to do a brake job on a car or 3d print a basic coupler for a home project.
Acrobatic_Road 6mo ago
>I suspect some of the pro-gun-control groups have been pushing it to lawmakers given most legislation is basically copy-pastes from lobbying groups at both the state and federal level. You would be correct. https://xcancel.com/2Aupdates/status/2036437116456940001#m https://xcancel.com/2Aupdates/status/2036437116456940001#m

MisterTea 6mo ago

I really think all of this is the result of Mangione. Regulating 3D printers has been talked about for years with no action. Then a year after the CEO of a large well known company is killed with a 3D printed gun the states are suddenly pushing highly invasive 3D printing laws. It's no coincidence NY was the first to push for such a law, the state where said CEO was killed.

WillPostForFood 6mo ago
No, this is Everytown USA model legislation. They wrote it, and are lobbying for it. https://everytownsupportfund.org/press/new-everytown-report-highlights-urgent-policy-actions-needed-to-combat-3d-printed-guns/ https://everytownsupportfund.org/press/new-everytown-report-...
- MisterTea 6mo ago
  Yes, third paragraph: "The shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson ..." who was killed by Mangione with a 3D printed gun. Did you forget who the killer was?
  - hrimfaxi 6mo ago
    This is not the result of Mangione, Mangione is just their excuse for the push.
    - MisterTea 6mo ago
      I think there is a misunderstanding as you are stating the same point I am making. Either way, no point in further arguing this. There wasn't enough fear before the Thompson killing. If a ghost gun killed some plebeian nobody, meh. But a business magnate? Horrible! We need to do something! NOW! The wealthy have immense power and this is that power being projected in form of fear of the armed common man. CEO's are scared, and not just the ones in health insurance. Look at what recently happened to Sam Altman where someone hurled a molotov cocktail at his home. After the Thompson killing I was in a meeting with a CEO who's net worth is in the upper 9 digits who was himself concerned for his safety (not in health insurance). He mentioned talking to a security firm and spoke of others in his circle who are also concerned and increasing security as well. They are scared. They are taking action.
  - ragazzina 6mo ago
    >who was killed by Mangione Isn't there presumption of innocence in the USA?
throw1234567891 6mo ago
You’d think they’d regulate guns instead.
- some_random 6mo ago
  Guns are nationally regulated and further regulated by every state pushing this drivel.
  - throw1234567891 6mo ago
    [flagged]
- tt24 6mo ago
  I’m sorry, is it your opinion that guns aren’t currently regulated?
  - throw1234567891 6mo ago
    Not enough judging by the number of people killed with guns in the US.
    - tt24 6mo ago
      Not what the parent comment said

bmurphy1976 6mo ago

LM has a whole series of videos that touches on this (as well as some related topics): https://www.youtube.com/@LoyalMoses/videos https://www.youtube.com/@LoyalMoses/videos Louis Rossman also touched on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS-9ISzMhBM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS-9ISzMhBM I've seen more by others but can't recall them all. Without going too far down a conspiracy theory rabbit hole, the momentum for this seems to be coming from a variety of sources: * New York being New York and trying to make thinking about guns a thought crime * There's European company (forget the name) that makes specialized software that can do this. They're lobbying so they can inject themselves for some tasty rent seeking. * A variety of companies that see right-to-repair (and thus home 3D printers, CNC-milling, etc.) a threat to their bottom lines. * General ignorance by our law makers Edit: And I personally think instead of doing stupid bullshit like this, we should be giving EVERY kid who wants one a free 3D Printer so they can learn to tinker, be creative, and build things. That's how we create that spark that leads to the next generation of makers. Without that our country will continue to be the country that can no longer build things.

cgannett 6mo ago
Literally giving children the means of production is way out of line. To the corporate owned gulag with you! /s
simplyluke 6mo ago
> we should be giving EVERY kid who wants one a free 3D Printer so they can learn to tinker, be creative, and build things Totally agree. Ironically, I think it'd do a lot more to reduce gun violence than any of these laws given the primary factors in gun violence are 1) being poor and not having good options out of poverty and 2) being a man between the ages of like 15-25 I'm just young enough that I had a high school teacher who was able to get some level of support from the district to run an elective engineering course and had a few of the very early consumer-grade printers that were terrible compared to a modern printer. I was already down the programming rabbit hole at that point, but it was absolutely foundational in me realizing that "you can build things" didn't only apply to the digital. I really wish we'd have similar in just about every school. So many of my peers think that the ability to fabricate basic things and work on anything physical is substantially harder than it actually is (to the level of thinking they'd need similar effort it took them to learn to code to learn to work on their car), and so never do it. If you can reason about a C compiler, you can definitely learn to do a brake job on a car or 3d print a basic coupler for a home project.

Acrobatic_Road 6mo ago

>I suspect some of the pro-gun-control groups have been pushing it to lawmakers given most legislation is basically copy-pastes from lobbying groups at both the state and federal level. You would be correct. https://xcancel.com/2Aupdates/status/2036437116456940001#m https://xcancel.com/2Aupdates/status/2036437116456940001#m