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> The market should decide if beef consumption is viable The market has decided, ant it decided that the well off are more important than the rest so they get

• b65e8bee43c2ed0 6mo ago
  those 33 calories are dirt cheap carbs. there's absolutely no shortage of soy and corn syrup for you to consume.
  • r_p4rk 6mo ago
    Soy is an excellent protein source?
    • b65e8bee43c2ed0 6mo ago
      1. "protein" is a blanket term for a number of amino acids we need, and vegetable sources tend to miss a bunch of them. 2. atrocious calorie to protein ratio due to carbs. I imagine eating a pound (dry weight!) of any legume every day would get real old real fast. 3. phytoestrogens. not just soy, all legumes are full of them, even peanuts.
      • r_p4rk 6mo ago
        1. yeah, i know, soy is packed full of them though and considered a complete protein hence my reply :) 2. i imagine eating a pound of most unprocessed food sources would be bad, tofu and tempeh are very competitive and have macros similar to egg or cheese 3. not sure where you're going with this? surely you're not referencing the well debunked claim that soy feminizes men or something? --- I'm not even vegan and I make plenty of room for soy derived foods in my diet because the benefits are so concrete. It helps with muscle recovery and inflammation via soy isoflavones, and the gut health benefit from diversifying protein sources is very important. It has marginally less leucine, but I am ingesting 200g of protein a day because I actually lift so that really doesn't matter.
        • b65e8bee43c2ed0 6mo ago
          >3. not sure where you're going with this? surely you're not referencing the well debunked claim that soy feminizes men or something? pray tell, which part is deboonked - that xenohormones disrupt our own hormone production, or that legumes and some other plants contain a lot of phytoestrogens?
• rayiner 6mo ago
  This is stupid thinking indulged in by westerners who were born in the lap of luxury. The market is incredibly moral. When my dad was born in a village in Bangladesh, 1 out of 4 kids didn’t live past age 5. Thanks to market reforms and the resulting economic growth, child mortality in Bangladesh has plummeted. Bangladesh’s under-5 morality rate is better today than America’s was at the same time my dad was born. If India and Bangladesh hadn’t fucked around with socialism for decades after independence, we could have reached the same point many years ago. Millions of children would have been saved. Talk about immorality.
  • selimthegrim 6mo ago
    Why don't you ask noted anti-socialism state Pakistan (pre and post-1971) how that's going?
    • rayiner 6mo ago
      We have A/B comparisons in India and Bangladesh keeping the underlying culture constant. Pakistan’s problem seems to be a Pakistan thing.
      • danaris 6mo ago
        So..."Pakistan's problem is a Pakistan thing", unrelated to markets.... ...but Bangladesh's success is purely attributable to markets? It's not "a Bangladesh thing"? You might want to check your prejudices there.
        • rayiner 6mo ago
          There’s a Civilization-game style “tech tree” for cultural and social development. Some societies are further along in that development than others. Pakistan faces the same cultural problem as Afghanistan and parts of the middle east: in large parts of the country, extended kinship groups dominate society, precluding the development of civic institutions and functioning government. That’s not true for the whole country. Parts of Pakistan are culturally like India or Bangladesh: it has a long history of governance by central institutions, even if that governance is dysfunctional. Imagine if 50% of the U.S. population was Appalachians. The U.S. would be a much less successful country also.