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if it interferes with my ability to sell products and services in spain because my website gets blocked as a side-effect, then yes, the EU should care. for exa

by em-bee 7mo ago

if it interferes with my ability to sell products and services in spain because my website gets blocked as a side-effect, then yes, the EU should care. for example geo-blocking within the EU is also illegal. if you offer a service or product in any EU country, then anyone in the EU must be allowed to buy it. among other things this also means that if there is any country in the EU where these sports broadcasts are accessible legally, then spain would not be allowed to block them either.

lxgr 7mo ago
> if it interferes with my ability to sell products and services in spain because my website gets blocked as a side-effect, then yes, the EU should care. As long as you’re not disadvantaged compared to a Spanish seller of goods or services or Spain’s law is specifically violating an EU one, I don’t think so. > for example geo-blocking within the EU is also illegal. if you offer a service or product in any EU country, then anyone in the EU must be allowed to buy it. Definitely not. You’re not automatically obliged to sell to other EU countries just because you’re selling in one. There are some categories where you have to, but that explicitly excludes video streaming. There is another regulation for subscribers temporarily traveling to a different EU country not losing access to a service they subscribed to in their home country, but that’s also something else.
- em-bee 7mo ago
  You’re not automatically obliged to sell to other EU countries just because you’re selling in one. according to my understanding yes, you are: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/geoblocking https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/geoblockin... i don't see mention of any exception for streaming there either. (maybe one exists, if you have a reference, i'd love to take a look)
  - lxgr 7mo ago
    They call it "audio-visual". From the page you linked: > [...] services in sectors currently fully excluded such as transport and audio-visual
    - em-bee 7mo ago
      good catch, thank you. if you look at the actual report summary however it shows that they want to change that: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-publishes-its-short-term-review-geo-blocking-regulation https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-pub... so even if not a reality in all sectors, removing geoblocking is in the interest of the EU. going back to the original question: Why should other EU members care what websites Spain allows their citizens to access? Does the "EU" even have authority for such a thing? they do care, and they should, and yes, they have the authority. personally, when i read the report, seeing how young people are more interested in viewing content from other countries, what first came to my mind is the increased integration of EU countries and cultures that comes from that. that's the why.
- AnthonyMouse 7mo ago
  > As long as you’re not disadvantaged compared to a Spanish seller of goods or services or Spain’s law is specifically violating an EU one, I don’t think so. Aren't you being disadvantaged though? A customer in Spain can buy from an EU internet retailer (let's say ~10% of those retailers are in Spain using the population ratio of Spain to the EU), or from a brick and mortar retailer in their location 100% of which are in Spain. They're blocking the thing where ~90% of the retailers are outside of Spain but not the thing where all of them are in Spain, is that not a disadvantage?

by em-bee 7mo ago

lxgr 7mo ago

> if it interferes with my ability to sell products and services in spain because my website gets blocked as a side-effect, then yes, the EU should care. As long as you’re not disadvantaged compared to a Spanish seller of goods or services or Spain’s law is specifically violating an EU one, I don’t think so. > for example geo-blocking within the EU is also illegal. if you offer a service or product in any EU country, then anyone in the EU must be allowed to buy it. Definitely not. You’re not automatically obliged to sell to other EU countries just because you’re selling in one. There are some categories where you have to, but that explicitly excludes video streaming. There is another regulation for subscribers temporarily traveling to a different EU country not losing access to a service they subscribed to in their home country, but that’s also something else.

em-bee 7mo ago
You’re not automatically obliged to sell to other EU countries just because you’re selling in one. according to my understanding yes, you are: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/geoblocking https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/geoblockin... i don't see mention of any exception for streaming there either. (maybe one exists, if you have a reference, i'd love to take a look)
- lxgr 7mo ago
  They call it "audio-visual". From the page you linked: > [...] services in sectors currently fully excluded such as transport and audio-visual
  - em-bee 7mo ago
    good catch, thank you. if you look at the actual report summary however it shows that they want to change that: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-publishes-its-short-term-review-geo-blocking-regulation https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-pub... so even if not a reality in all sectors, removing geoblocking is in the interest of the EU. going back to the original question: Why should other EU members care what websites Spain allows their citizens to access? Does the "EU" even have authority for such a thing? they do care, and they should, and yes, they have the authority. personally, when i read the report, seeing how young people are more interested in viewing content from other countries, what first came to my mind is the increased integration of EU countries and cultures that comes from that. that's the why.
AnthonyMouse 7mo ago
> As long as you’re not disadvantaged compared to a Spanish seller of goods or services or Spain’s law is specifically violating an EU one, I don’t think so. Aren't you being disadvantaged though? A customer in Spain can buy from an EU internet retailer (let's say ~10% of those retailers are in Spain using the population ratio of Spain to the EU), or from a brick and mortar retailer in their location 100% of which are in Spain. They're blocking the thing where ~90% of the retailers are outside of Spain but not the thing where all of them are in Spain, is that not a disadvantage?