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We shouldn’t need the managers, but the record industry does everything it can to consolidate everything. However, I do notice that for more uncommon music, th

We shouldn’t need the managers, but the record industry does everything it can to consolidate everything. However, I do notice that for more uncommon music, the record industry sort it just looks the other way. For example Eminem has tons of really old music on YouTube that I’m sure his lawyers could figure out how to get taken down. But it just stays up. I would really like music copyright to change within my lifetime. It should realistically be 30 years from first release, and after that it should go straight to the public domain. By then everyone’s made their money. Even Elvis won’t be public domain until like 2050 or 2060. I don’t really think he needs the money right now.

euroderf 6mo ago
> the record industry does everything it can to consolidate everything. Financialization ? Productize, promote, push ?
tempaccount5050 6mo ago
I agree mostly but take issue with "not needing managers". As someone who went from split shows to big venues to touring, managers (good ones) are a godsend. Will there be convenient parking? Do they have adequate power? Is the stage big enough? Do we need to book sound? Is there a weather contingency? Where can we sleep? What time is load in? What time is sound check? What form of payment? How will they be advertising? Who do we give promotional materials to? Etc etc. Having someone take care of all this stuff allows us to focus on practicing and recording (which has another long list of questions that need to be addressed). Not to mention networking and venue access. Put all that stuff together and it's a full time job that artists are poorly equipped to handle.
- 999900000999 6mo ago
  I assumed managers in this context, meant the record industry machine. Most bands don’t care if you find a bootleg of a live recording, it’s going to be a very different experience versus an actual album anyway.
  - tempaccount5050 6mo ago
    Well that would be legal/contractual stuff you signed with the label. Doesn't have anything to do with managers, which was why I wasn't really sure what parent was saying.
- rigonkulous 6mo ago
  Serious question: are you a musician?
volkl48 6mo ago
> However, I do notice that for more uncommon music, the record industry sort it just looks the other way. For example Eminem has tons of really old music on YouTube that I’m sure his lawyers could figure out how to get taken down. But it just stays up. Or artists that have seen the merit in tolerating it/somewhat encouraging it. I'm a pretty hardcore Nine Inch Nails fan (seen >30 shows). NINLive.com is a fantastic (unofficial) archive for our community. Close to 2k individual recordings, about 3/4 of all shows they've ever played have at least one recording. NIN's camp is fully aware, the guy who runs the site has gotten invited to meet the band before. (And NIN has tossed unedited pro-shot tour footage to the fans before to play with, as well as things like directly linking to a fan-compiled concert film for another tour on their own home page).
- leviathant 6mo ago
  NIN had a messy breakup with their original manager about 15 years into things. Once Trent Reznor emerged as more or less a free agent, he embraced radical approaches to distributing music and other media. The instrumental album "Ghosts I-IV" was released under a Creative Commons BY-NC-SA license, and the music went everywhere - and you can draw a line directly from that choice to the Oscar for the score for The Social Network. Concert photos, wallpapers, and other photos are still up on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/nineinchnails/albums https://www.flickr.com/photos/nineinchnails/albums And the NIN camp utilized Vimeo alongside YouTube: https://vimeo.com/ninofficial https://vimeo.com/ninofficial Rumor has it that Trent Reznor himself uploaded material to The Pirate Bay, because he didn't like the audio quality of the rips that were already floating around. There are three compilations that appeared, with custom artwork, including at least one exclusive version of a track that hasn't appeared anywhere else. (p.s. wot up volk)
  - volkl48 6mo ago
    Oh hey, I certainly know that username! And you're not going to plug yourself I certainly will: Appreciate your work on the NIN Hotline all these years and everything else you've done/added to the community. > Rumor has it that Trent Reznor himself uploaded material to The Pirate Bay, You'd certainly know better than I would but I feel like I recall Rob Sheridan confirming that in one of his interviews years later (not that there was really any doubt).
rigonkulous 6mo ago
I am an artist who firmly does not believe in copyright - that all art must be copied in order to persist, or else it dies. Really, I'm fine with it. Musicians make money with their gigs, and that is how it should be. Always throw a coin at live musicians, folks. They deserve it.

euroderf 6mo ago

> the record industry does everything it can to consolidate everything. Financialization ? Productize, promote, push ?

tempaccount5050 6mo ago

I agree mostly but take issue with "not needing managers". As someone who went from split shows to big venues to touring, managers (good ones) are a godsend. Will there be convenient parking? Do they have adequate power? Is the stage big enough? Do we need to book sound? Is there a weather contingency? Where can we sleep? What time is load in? What time is sound check? What form of payment? How will they be advertising? Who do we give promotional materials to? Etc etc. Having someone take care of all this stuff allows us to focus on practicing and recording (which has another long list of questions that need to be addressed). Not to mention networking and venue access. Put all that stuff together and it's a full time job that artists are poorly equipped to handle.

999900000999 6mo ago
I assumed managers in this context, meant the record industry machine. Most bands don’t care if you find a bootleg of a live recording, it’s going to be a very different experience versus an actual album anyway.
- tempaccount5050 6mo ago
  Well that would be legal/contractual stuff you signed with the label. Doesn't have anything to do with managers, which was why I wasn't really sure what parent was saying.
rigonkulous 6mo ago
Serious question: are you a musician?

volkl48 6mo ago

> However, I do notice that for more uncommon music, the record industry sort it just looks the other way. For example Eminem has tons of really old music on YouTube that I’m sure his lawyers could figure out how to get taken down. But it just stays up. Or artists that have seen the merit in tolerating it/somewhat encouraging it. I'm a pretty hardcore Nine Inch Nails fan (seen >30 shows). NINLive.com is a fantastic (unofficial) archive for our community. Close to 2k individual recordings, about 3/4 of all shows they've ever played have at least one recording. NIN's camp is fully aware, the guy who runs the site has gotten invited to meet the band before. (And NIN has tossed unedited pro-shot tour footage to the fans before to play with, as well as things like directly linking to a fan-compiled concert film for another tour on their own home page).

leviathant 6mo ago
NIN had a messy breakup with their original manager about 15 years into things. Once Trent Reznor emerged as more or less a free agent, he embraced radical approaches to distributing music and other media. The instrumental album "Ghosts I-IV" was released under a Creative Commons BY-NC-SA license, and the music went everywhere - and you can draw a line directly from that choice to the Oscar for the score for The Social Network. Concert photos, wallpapers, and other photos are still up on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/nineinchnails/albums https://www.flickr.com/photos/nineinchnails/albums And the NIN camp utilized Vimeo alongside YouTube: https://vimeo.com/ninofficial https://vimeo.com/ninofficial Rumor has it that Trent Reznor himself uploaded material to The Pirate Bay, because he didn't like the audio quality of the rips that were already floating around. There are three compilations that appeared, with custom artwork, including at least one exclusive version of a track that hasn't appeared anywhere else. (p.s. wot up volk)
- volkl48 6mo ago
  Oh hey, I certainly know that username! And you're not going to plug yourself I certainly will: Appreciate your work on the NIN Hotline all these years and everything else you've done/added to the community. > Rumor has it that Trent Reznor himself uploaded material to The Pirate Bay, You'd certainly know better than I would but I feel like I recall Rob Sheridan confirming that in one of his interviews years later (not that there was really any doubt).

rigonkulous 6mo ago

I am an artist who firmly does not believe in copyright - that all art must be copied in order to persist, or else it dies. Really, I'm fine with it. Musicians make money with their gigs, and that is how it should be. Always throw a coin at live musicians, folks. They deserve it.