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Obligatory Kagi mention

by flexagoon 6mo ago

mx7zysuj4xew 6mo ago
Kagi costs money and isn't that great to begin with
- mtwshngtn 6mo ago
  Counterpoint, Kagi is profitable and it achieved that milestone solely via user subscriptions, so its incentives are aligned with users, and not advertisers. And I've found it so good that I haven't used Google, except by accident, in the past 18 months.
- daemon325 6mo ago
  People just keep pitching Kagi as revolutionary, especially software engineers and people on HN. I respect a lot of them, people I respect a lot, and I saw people like Jon Gjengset use it. so I gave it a few months of daily use. I just eventually drifted back to Google. The results weren't better for anything I search for. It felt different, but not better in any measurable way. $10/mo for a different feel is a strange value prop. DuckDuckGo sits in the same spot for me. I want to like it, and I don't think one company should own web search, but when I need to find something Google finds it first. I wish the answer were different, but that's just how things are.
  - yegg 6mo ago
    This hasn't been our experience; can you please reach out to me with specific examples? My email is in my profile.
  - Barbing 6mo ago
    >$10/mo for a different feel is a strange value prop. Thought Kagi would want the strange part to be, say: "strange to let advertisers cover your monthly search bill, trading your privacy and using Google--we're only ten bucks a month!" So, pay for peace of mind. (do recognize $10 is an entire e.g. daily wage for some)
    - Ferret7446 6mo ago
      Google doesn't sell your data despite widespread misinformation/conspiracy theories, and I have more confidence in their opsec than Kagi
      - direwolf20 6mo ago
        Only in a very pedantic sense. Google definitely sells the service of doing things based on your data. It is, in fact, their biggest and oldest revenue stream.
- jmull 6mo ago
  Costs money is a good thing. You want to be the customer, not the product.
direwolf20 6mo ago
Kagi is just a front end for Google with extra anti-slop filters. These are useful, and when you pay you become the customer instead of the product.

Obligatory Kagi mention

mx7zysuj4xew 6mo ago

Kagi costs money and isn't that great to begin with

mtwshngtn 6mo ago
Counterpoint, Kagi is profitable and it achieved that milestone solely via user subscriptions, so its incentives are aligned with users, and not advertisers. And I've found it so good that I haven't used Google, except by accident, in the past 18 months.
daemon325 6mo ago
People just keep pitching Kagi as revolutionary, especially software engineers and people on HN. I respect a lot of them, people I respect a lot, and I saw people like Jon Gjengset use it. so I gave it a few months of daily use. I just eventually drifted back to Google. The results weren't better for anything I search for. It felt different, but not better in any measurable way. $10/mo for a different feel is a strange value prop. DuckDuckGo sits in the same spot for me. I want to like it, and I don't think one company should own web search, but when I need to find something Google finds it first. I wish the answer were different, but that's just how things are.
- yegg 6mo ago
  This hasn't been our experience; can you please reach out to me with specific examples? My email is in my profile.
- Barbing 6mo ago
  >$10/mo for a different feel is a strange value prop. Thought Kagi would want the strange part to be, say: "strange to let advertisers cover your monthly search bill, trading your privacy and using Google--we're only ten bucks a month!" So, pay for peace of mind. (do recognize $10 is an entire e.g. daily wage for some)
  - Ferret7446 6mo ago
    Google doesn't sell your data despite widespread misinformation/conspiracy theories, and I have more confidence in their opsec than Kagi
    - direwolf20 6mo ago
      Only in a very pedantic sense. Google definitely sells the service of doing things based on your data. It is, in fact, their biggest and oldest revenue stream.
jmull 6mo ago
Costs money is a good thing. You want to be the customer, not the product.

direwolf20 6mo ago

Kagi is just a front end for Google with extra anti-slop filters. These are useful, and when you pay you become the customer instead of the product.