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>(In comparison, Facebook uses a programming language called AJAX that taxes servers less.)

by eurleif 14y ago

drivebyacct2 14y ago
> "And so, the ability to rent computing capacity managed by someone else was born." How poetic.
pzaich 14y ago
I just was about to post that as a comment! Definitely my favorite line of the entire article.
- eupharis 14y ago
  Mine too :) To be fair, it would have required truly heroic fact-checking to catch this error. +cough+ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_%28programming%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_%28programming%29 +cough+
skyo 14y ago
I couldn't even get past this: > On August 24, 2006, the public beta of Amazon's "Infrastructure as a Service" (IaaS). How is that a sentence?
gojomo 14y ago
And remember, everything else you read in The Atlantic (and other publications) includes similar whoppers... just on topics where you won't recognize them.
- jelpern 14y ago
  It's very hard for media - even specialist media - to be as well versed in the technical knowledge of the practitioner. You see it all the time in financial journalism as well where people through around large numbers that are grossly distorted from reality. If the journalists were as good at the technical aspects of what they covered as the practitioners, they would be making a lot more money as practitioners (see for example Michael Arrington, or Michael Moritz before him). Celebrity journalists such as Michael Lewis or Tom Wolfe might be excepted from this rule, although even Andrew Ross Sorkin makes a lot of financial errors in his writing. Dan Primack is one of the few financial journalists who puts so much energy into understanding what he covers to get it right, yet loves the beat so much that he doesn't seem to be interested in becoming a money manager any time soon. I've digressed a bit towards financial journalism, but tech journalism and other journalistic areas in which technical knowledge is required suffer from similar problems.
  - TeMPOraL 14y ago
    Either they can do it or they shouldn't do it at all. It makes little sense to read an article that you know from the beginning is wrong because the journalist couldn't understand what he's writing about. Bad information is worse than no information.
    - gojomo 14y ago
      That's an unrealistic standard: journalists are very rarely experts in what they report, but their flawed accounts can still be useful. The reader just has to be aware and avoid overconfidence in the particular details, when those are filtered through flawed, erroneous, and oversimplified sources. You can still extract some signal from a noisy or biased channel: bad information is better than no information, if you have some inkling of how it's bad.
oelmekki 14y ago
My favorite one is that one : > IaaS cloud computing is not always cheaper than owning your own hardware Oh really, not always cheaper ? For the same computing power, I observe almost x10 pricing on amazon compared to dedicated server. And still, I compare to rented dedicated servers, not owned (never worked with those, I suppose it's even cheaper). Selling (because that's what this article is trying to do) aws as a highly scalable platform where one could add resources in a matter of seconds is ok. Implying it can be cheaper than other alternatives is either lying or having no clue.
- nasalgoat 14y ago
  As someone who boths owns and rents physical servers, I can tell you that owning is 1/10th the cost of renting, but that the rental price includes remote hands and other overhead, so call it 1/5th the price.
nfm 14y ago
Wish I hadn't started reading the article before the HN comments!
jholman 14y ago
This article is full of horrible bits, and that quote is just the bit that stands out the most. The link from that quote is to Quora, with only one random guy holding forth with an opinion about Friendster. Not exactly authoritative. But even if it were, the Quora answer is not even close to implying that AJAX had a consequence on server load (it suggests that AJAX makes for better UX). The link about "friendster is too slow" links to... a story about a change of CEO at Friendster.... with no reference to website performance at all? Wtf? The "$15 a month" link and the "so easy" link, while they do mention AWS/EC2 IASS, are only peripherally connected to it. They're about caching Wordpress, i.e. automagically converting your dynamic-content webapp into a static-content website, and have nothing to do with elastic scaling or any of the other really interesting aspects of AWS/EC2. It's weird, because it's like there was a vaguely reasonable (but fluff-weight) article here, that someone pissed all over and ruined. I generally enjoy the pieces I read at the Atlantic... now I'm having that experience of wondering if any of them had any truth at all to them.
easytiger 14y ago
I think my mother wrote this article

>(In comparison, Facebook uses a programming language called AJAX that taxes servers less.)

by eurleif 14y ago

>(In comparison, Facebook uses a programming language called AJAX that taxes servers less.)

drivebyacct2 14y ago

> "And so, the ability to rent computing capacity managed by someone else was born." How poetic.

pzaich 14y ago

I just was about to post that as a comment! Definitely my favorite line of the entire article.

eupharis 14y ago
Mine too :) To be fair, it would have required truly heroic fact-checking to catch this error. +cough+ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_%28programming%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_%28programming%29 +cough+

skyo 14y ago

I couldn't even get past this: > On August 24, 2006, the public beta of Amazon's "Infrastructure as a Service" (IaaS). How is that a sentence?

gojomo 14y ago

And remember, everything else you read in The Atlantic (and other publications) includes similar whoppers... just on topics where you won't recognize them.

jelpern 14y ago
It's very hard for media - even specialist media - to be as well versed in the technical knowledge of the practitioner. You see it all the time in financial journalism as well where people through around large numbers that are grossly distorted from reality. If the journalists were as good at the technical aspects of what they covered as the practitioners, they would be making a lot more money as practitioners (see for example Michael Arrington, or Michael Moritz before him). Celebrity journalists such as Michael Lewis or Tom Wolfe might be excepted from this rule, although even Andrew Ross Sorkin makes a lot of financial errors in his writing. Dan Primack is one of the few financial journalists who puts so much energy into understanding what he covers to get it right, yet loves the beat so much that he doesn't seem to be interested in becoming a money manager any time soon. I've digressed a bit towards financial journalism, but tech journalism and other journalistic areas in which technical knowledge is required suffer from similar problems.
- TeMPOraL 14y ago
  Either they can do it or they shouldn't do it at all. It makes little sense to read an article that you know from the beginning is wrong because the journalist couldn't understand what he's writing about. Bad information is worse than no information.
  - gojomo 14y ago
    That's an unrealistic standard: journalists are very rarely experts in what they report, but their flawed accounts can still be useful. The reader just has to be aware and avoid overconfidence in the particular details, when those are filtered through flawed, erroneous, and oversimplified sources. You can still extract some signal from a noisy or biased channel: bad information is better than no information, if you have some inkling of how it's bad.

oelmekki 14y ago

My favorite one is that one : > IaaS cloud computing is not always cheaper than owning your own hardware Oh really, not always cheaper ? For the same computing power, I observe almost x10 pricing on amazon compared to dedicated server. And still, I compare to rented dedicated servers, not owned (never worked with those, I suppose it's even cheaper). Selling (because that's what this article is trying to do) aws as a highly scalable platform where one could add resources in a matter of seconds is ok. Implying it can be cheaper than other alternatives is either lying or having no clue.

nasalgoat 14y ago
As someone who boths owns and rents physical servers, I can tell you that owning is 1/10th the cost of renting, but that the rental price includes remote hands and other overhead, so call it 1/5th the price.

nfm 14y ago

Wish I hadn't started reading the article before the HN comments!

jholman 14y ago

This article is full of horrible bits, and that quote is just the bit that stands out the most. The link from that quote is to Quora, with only one random guy holding forth with an opinion about Friendster. Not exactly authoritative. But even if it were, the Quora answer is not even close to implying that AJAX had a consequence on server load (it suggests that AJAX makes for better UX). The link about "friendster is too slow" links to... a story about a change of CEO at Friendster.... with no reference to website performance at all? Wtf? The "$15 a month" link and the "so easy" link, while they do mention AWS/EC2 IASS, are only peripherally connected to it. They're about caching Wordpress, i.e. automagically converting your dynamic-content webapp into a static-content website, and have nothing to do with elastic scaling or any of the other really interesting aspects of AWS/EC2. It's weird, because it's like there was a vaguely reasonable (but fluff-weight) article here, that someone pissed all over and ruined. I generally enjoy the pieces I read at the Atlantic... now I'm having that experience of wondering if any of them had any truth at all to them.

easytiger 14y ago

I think my mother wrote this article