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> No, it is not evident: this is not correct. It is evident. It is correct. You aren't making this any better.

by cxr 6mo ago

lproven 6mo ago
No, it is not correct, and trying to coerce it into the reductive box of an incomplete view does not help. Comparison: you are angrily maintaining "Orange is a colour! It is right there in the rainbow! Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet! It's a colour! That is the set to which it belongs!" It is true. But it is incomplete. It is also a fruit. It belongs equally in "apple, orange, banana, pear, quince." Also a valid set; no parallel. It is in other sets too. The set of citrus fruits. "Lemon, orange, lime, pomelo, grapefruit." Oberon is a programming language. It is also a set of frameworks. They are integral. It is also an editor. It is also a UI design. It is also an OS. Any one is true but is incomplete. There are other views but yours and none is privileged; yours does not invalidate the others, nor they yours. You only see one but your view is too narrow.
- cxr 6mo ago
  I'm not sparring with you. You are wrong. Oberon is an operating system, and "Oberon is an operating system" is a fair and accurate statement. I don't expect you to relent on this—I'm too well acquainted. You're still wrong.
  - lproven 6mo ago
    It is an OS. And it is also a programming language, which can run on other OSes as well as on its own native one. Here's a Windows version: https://blackboxframework.org/ https://blackboxframework.org/ Here's a Linux version too: https://blackbox.oberon.org/download https://blackbox.oberon.org/download Renamed, but "Component Pascal" is Oberon. Wirth's Oberon is a compiler, but Oberon can also be compiled with other compilers. Vishaps interpiles Oberon via C using GCC, Clang etc. https://vishap.oberon.am/ https://vishap.oberon.am/ So does OBNC: https://miasap.se/obnc/ https://miasap.se/obnc/ Astrobe is another alternative compiler: https://astrobe.com/ https://astrobe.com/ OberonC compiles it to the JVM: https://github.com/lboasso/oberonc https://github.com/lboasso/oberonc Here is a list of others: https://oberon07.com/compilers.xhtml https://oberon07.com/compilers.xhtml You are keen to rebut me, but you have not refuted me. Provide evidence for your case. Don't tell me I am wrong, because I've had decades of that and I don't care. Show me I am wrong and I will listen.
    - cxr 6mo ago
      Premise: > "Oberon is an operating system" <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47762184 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47762184> Claim #1: > this is not correct <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47763595 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47763595> Claim #2: > It is an OS. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47790959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47790959> QED. * * * * > You are keen to rebut me No, I'm really, really not. It would be great if you'd stick to wasting your own time in the future—or, better (esp. if you insist on involving others): only wasting the time of other people like you who would otherwise be doing harm elsewhere.

> No, it is not evident: this is not correct. It is evident. It is correct. You aren't making this any better.

by cxr 6mo ago

> No, it is not evident: this is not correct. It is evident. It is correct. You aren't making this any better.

No, it is not correct, and trying to coerce it into the reductive box of an incomplete view does not help. Comparison: you are angrily maintaining "Orange is a colour! It is right there in the rainbow! Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet! It's a colour! That is the set to which it belongs!" It is true. But it is incomplete. It is also a fruit. It belongs equally in "apple, orange, banana, pear, quince." Also a valid set; no parallel. It is in other sets too. The set of citrus fruits. "Lemon, orange, lime, pomelo, grapefruit." Oberon is a programming language. It is also a set of frameworks. They are integral. It is also an editor. It is also a UI design. It is also an OS. Any one is true but is incomplete. There are other views but yours and none is privileged; yours does not invalidate the others, nor they yours. You only see one but your view is too narrow.

cxr 6mo ago
I'm not sparring with you. You are wrong. Oberon is an operating system, and "Oberon is an operating system" is a fair and accurate statement. I don't expect you to relent on this—I'm too well acquainted. You're still wrong.
- lproven 6mo ago
  It is an OS. And it is also a programming language, which can run on other OSes as well as on its own native one. Here's a Windows version: https://blackboxframework.org/ https://blackboxframework.org/ Here's a Linux version too: https://blackbox.oberon.org/download https://blackbox.oberon.org/download Renamed, but "Component Pascal" is Oberon. Wirth's Oberon is a compiler, but Oberon can also be compiled with other compilers. Vishaps interpiles Oberon via C using GCC, Clang etc. https://vishap.oberon.am/ https://vishap.oberon.am/ So does OBNC: https://miasap.se/obnc/ https://miasap.se/obnc/ Astrobe is another alternative compiler: https://astrobe.com/ https://astrobe.com/ OberonC compiles it to the JVM: https://github.com/lboasso/oberonc https://github.com/lboasso/oberonc Here is a list of others: https://oberon07.com/compilers.xhtml https://oberon07.com/compilers.xhtml You are keen to rebut me, but you have not refuted me. Provide evidence for your case. Don't tell me I am wrong, because I've had decades of that and I don't care. Show me I am wrong and I will listen.
  - cxr 6mo ago
    Premise: > "Oberon is an operating system" <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47762184 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47762184> Claim #1: > this is not correct <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47763595 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47763595> Claim #2: > It is an OS. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47790959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47790959> QED. * * * * > You are keen to rebut me No, I'm really, really not. It would be great if you'd stick to wasting your own time in the future—or, better (esp. if you insist on involving others): only wasting the time of other people like you who would otherwise be doing harm elsewhere.