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All due respect I don't really care much about Musk, but my point is that a powerful person can have a done a good thing and a dumb thing over the course of the

All due respect I don't really care much about Musk, but my point is that a powerful person can have a done a good thing and a dumb thing over the course of their career. The dumb thing doesn't nullify the fact they did a good thing. As the article presents, Napoleon is considered one of the great military commanders in history. But he also did some pretty dumb shit leading the many deaths.

fluoridation 6mo ago
>The dumb thing doesn't nullify the fact they did a good thing. I mean, surely it depends on the exact nature of the two things. Also, contrasting good with dumb strikes me as odd. Something can be good and dumb, or bad and smart.
spiderfarmer 6mo ago
Nullification doesn't work when you're mixing up competence with character. Good versus evil is one axis. Smart versus dumb is another. Someone can be smart and still be rotten. Someone can make money and still be a fraud morally. But here, the myth of him as some singular genius falls apart the moment you look at how much of his reputation is built on other people’s work, lucky timing, and high-stakes gambling dressed up as vision. The dumb stuff he does, but mostly the dumb stuff he says, does a good job of nullifying the 'smart' stuff. So you’re romanticising a rich exploitative gambler who wouldn’t hesitate to sneer at 'ordinary' people, like us, as sheep.
- pas 6mo ago
  people's character also changes over time, and everyone's work is built on other people's (of course usually people try to make sure those people are credited correctly) he is more of an extremely driven and singularly lucky workaholic asshole with sufficient capacity to cram a lot of technical details (or drugs) into his head, which impressed and motivated technical staff (and investors), who then morphed into this Nazi creep as he got more populare he simply began to ignore negative feedback more and more (and obviously got addicted to the far-right echochamber)
  - fluoridation 6mo ago
    I've yet to see any evidence of Musk's workaholism or technical know-how.
    - pas 6mo ago
      I base my claims on this review of the 2015 Musk biography by Ashlee Vance: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/book-review-elon-musk https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/book-review-elon-musk

fluoridation 6mo ago

>The dumb thing doesn't nullify the fact they did a good thing. I mean, surely it depends on the exact nature of the two things. Also, contrasting good with dumb strikes me as odd. Something can be good and dumb, or bad and smart.

spiderfarmer 6mo ago

Nullification doesn't work when you're mixing up competence with character. Good versus evil is one axis. Smart versus dumb is another. Someone can be smart and still be rotten. Someone can make money and still be a fraud morally. But here, the myth of him as some singular genius falls apart the moment you look at how much of his reputation is built on other people’s work, lucky timing, and high-stakes gambling dressed up as vision. The dumb stuff he does, but mostly the dumb stuff he says, does a good job of nullifying the 'smart' stuff. So you’re romanticising a rich exploitative gambler who wouldn’t hesitate to sneer at 'ordinary' people, like us, as sheep.

pas 6mo ago
people's character also changes over time, and everyone's work is built on other people's (of course usually people try to make sure those people are credited correctly) he is more of an extremely driven and singularly lucky workaholic asshole with sufficient capacity to cram a lot of technical details (or drugs) into his head, which impressed and motivated technical staff (and investors), who then morphed into this Nazi creep as he got more populare he simply began to ignore negative feedback more and more (and obviously got addicted to the far-right echochamber)
- fluoridation 6mo ago
  I've yet to see any evidence of Musk's workaholism or technical know-how.
  - pas 6mo ago
    I base my claims on this review of the 2015 Musk biography by Ashlee Vance: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/book-review-elon-musk https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/book-review-elon-musk