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And Windows 7 had none of the services that it should. It's 2012, don't you think it's a bit late already?

by psychotik 14y ago

kineticflow 14y ago
Probably because Microsoft was deathly afraid of being accused of "bundling".
- jinushaun 14y ago
  This mirrors my experience with MS. The DOJ case had long-lived and wide-ranging effects.
- icelancer 14y ago
  I had a similar experience during my time at MS.
ww520 14y ago
Wasn't Windows Vista beyond bad at the time? Windows 7's mission was to retrofit that. Adding more features (cloud, services, whatever) would have delayed the fix to the damages caused by Vista. He's probably more focused in delivering a solution fast then. On that he had succeeded. The lack of services in Win7 was more of a fault of the guy(s) causing the Vista fiasco in the first place.
- cookingrobot 14y ago
  Vista wasn't a fiasco. It was a rushed, focused, and pragmatic fix to the fiasco that was Longhorn. Don't remember Windows Longhorn? That's because Vista was a success.
  - zizee 14y ago
    Windows Longhorn was the internal codename for Vista. I think that you are thinking of Windows 7 being rushed, focused, and pragmatic fix to the fiasco that was Vista. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista From the first paragraph of the article: Prior to its announcement on July 22, 2005, Windows Vista was known by its codename "Longhorn" edit: ref to wikipedia edit2: suggestion to parent.
    - JanezStupar 14y ago
      Trivia. Longhorn was supposedly a completely new architecture. The filesystem was supposed to be SQL Server based plus other architectual astronautery. It was an executive dreamed clusterfuck with no technical merit. Quite similar to IBM's Workplace project, which also never came to fruition. Both (Longhorn and Workplace) were the culmination of RDBMS hype, where companies left and right tried to solve every problem by using hammer as a tool of choice. Back to Longhorn, it has been chronically late and finally the project got dumped and rebased upon NT stack. Thus Vista was indeed a rushed attempt of fixing the Longhorn fiasco and after that Win7 was a solution to the Vista fiasco. Thus from the viewpoint of how bad it could (and indeed should) have been. Both Vista and Win7 were an exceptional success. Also it made me really appreciate how nimble and agile Microsoft really is.
      - beagle3 14y ago
        > Also it made me really appreciate how nimble and agile Microsoft really is. XP released in 2001; Vista released in 2007, essentially an updated XP with some Aero bells and PMP whistles. That it was only started in 2005 after throwing away the Longhorn fiasco stuff does not make Microsoft "nimble" or "agile" in my opinion.
        JanezStupar 14y ago
        Most mega corps never recover from fuckups of this sort. Microsoft thus far has kept pulling them out of the hat. MS is not agile in the same sense as your YC funded startup is. That would be comparing speedboats to super tankers and in the world of super tankers Microsoft is one of the super tankerest of them all. Nokia, RIM, Boeing, HP, Yahoo and many others couldn't pull a single "pivot" out of the hat all the while Microsoft keeps on dancing. They are far from my favorite companies, however Microsoft and IBM prove year by year that elephants can and do dance. And what a gracious waltz that is. For an elephant of course.
        commandar 14y ago
        >XP released in 2001; Vista released in 2007, essentially an updated XP with some Aero bells and PMP whistles. What? No. Vista was pretty extensively reworked under the hood. It featured UAC, new driver models, a completely reworked network stack, and a new, vastly-improved memory manager among other things. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_features_new_to_Windows_Vista http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_features_new_to_Windo... Vista was, ultimately, far less ambitious than Microsoft had intended for Longhorn -- which is why they essentially scrapped the project and started over in 2004 -- but it was still a quantum leap over XP from a technical perspective. W7 is essentially a UI-updated and polished Vista (which is why the NT version number only bumped from NT6.0 to NT6.1), but even given the relatively incomplete state of Vista at launch, it was a huge step forward for Windows, and certainly more that "an updated XP with some Aero bells and PMP whistles."
geoffw8 14y ago
A bit late for what? Out of the major OS's MS is the largest, I'm writing this on a mac, and would loathe to have to use a PC but you have to appreciate that for most consumers when MS delivers something it is right on time. They (the consumers) are unintentionally blind to the landscape, this will be new to a ton of people and/or right under their noses for the first time. This is the time.

And Windows 7 had none of the services that it should. It's 2012, don't you think it's a bit late already?

kineticflow 14y ago

Probably because Microsoft was deathly afraid of being accused of "bundling".

jinushaun 14y ago
This mirrors my experience with MS. The DOJ case had long-lived and wide-ranging effects.
icelancer 14y ago
I had a similar experience during my time at MS.

ww520 14y ago

Wasn't Windows Vista beyond bad at the time? Windows 7's mission was to retrofit that. Adding more features (cloud, services, whatever) would have delayed the fix to the damages caused by Vista. He's probably more focused in delivering a solution fast then. On that he had succeeded. The lack of services in Win7 was more of a fault of the guy(s) causing the Vista fiasco in the first place.

cookingrobot 14y ago
Vista wasn't a fiasco. It was a rushed, focused, and pragmatic fix to the fiasco that was Longhorn. Don't remember Windows Longhorn? That's because Vista was a success.
- zizee 14y ago
  Windows Longhorn was the internal codename for Vista. I think that you are thinking of Windows 7 being rushed, focused, and pragmatic fix to the fiasco that was Vista. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista From the first paragraph of the article: Prior to its announcement on July 22, 2005, Windows Vista was known by its codename "Longhorn" edit: ref to wikipedia edit2: suggestion to parent.
  - JanezStupar 14y ago
    Trivia. Longhorn was supposedly a completely new architecture. The filesystem was supposed to be SQL Server based plus other architectual astronautery. It was an executive dreamed clusterfuck with no technical merit. Quite similar to IBM's Workplace project, which also never came to fruition. Both (Longhorn and Workplace) were the culmination of RDBMS hype, where companies left and right tried to solve every problem by using hammer as a tool of choice. Back to Longhorn, it has been chronically late and finally the project got dumped and rebased upon NT stack. Thus Vista was indeed a rushed attempt of fixing the Longhorn fiasco and after that Win7 was a solution to the Vista fiasco. Thus from the viewpoint of how bad it could (and indeed should) have been. Both Vista and Win7 were an exceptional success. Also it made me really appreciate how nimble and agile Microsoft really is.
    - beagle3 14y ago
      > Also it made me really appreciate how nimble and agile Microsoft really is. XP released in 2001; Vista released in 2007, essentially an updated XP with some Aero bells and PMP whistles. That it was only started in 2005 after throwing away the Longhorn fiasco stuff does not make Microsoft "nimble" or "agile" in my opinion.
      - JanezStupar 14y ago
        Most mega corps never recover from fuckups of this sort. Microsoft thus far has kept pulling them out of the hat. MS is not agile in the same sense as your YC funded startup is. That would be comparing speedboats to super tankers and in the world of super tankers Microsoft is one of the super tankerest of them all. Nokia, RIM, Boeing, HP, Yahoo and many others couldn't pull a single "pivot" out of the hat all the while Microsoft keeps on dancing. They are far from my favorite companies, however Microsoft and IBM prove year by year that elephants can and do dance. And what a gracious waltz that is. For an elephant of course.
      - commandar 14y ago
        >XP released in 2001; Vista released in 2007, essentially an updated XP with some Aero bells and PMP whistles. What? No. Vista was pretty extensively reworked under the hood. It featured UAC, new driver models, a completely reworked network stack, and a new, vastly-improved memory manager among other things. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_features_new_to_Windows_Vista http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_features_new_to_Windo... Vista was, ultimately, far less ambitious than Microsoft had intended for Longhorn -- which is why they essentially scrapped the project and started over in 2004 -- but it was still a quantum leap over XP from a technical perspective. W7 is essentially a UI-updated and polished Vista (which is why the NT version number only bumped from NT6.0 to NT6.1), but even given the relatively incomplete state of Vista at launch, it was a huge step forward for Windows, and certainly more that "an updated XP with some Aero bells and PMP whistles."

geoffw8 14y ago

A bit late for what? Out of the major OS's MS is the largest, I'm writing this on a mac, and would loathe to have to use a PC but you have to appreciate that for most consumers when MS delivers something it is right on time. They (the consumers) are unintentionally blind to the landscape, this will be new to a ton of people and/or right under their noses for the first time. This is the time.