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I'd happily provide one but I've had enough of being repeatedly trashed and denigrated here for posting too many archive links.

gerdesj 7mo ago
You could look at your denigrators and decide: "fuck you". Internet points are strangely attractive but not vital. You can always post with another account with a bit of effort too. I understand that you are pissed off (as am I too) but debating with an army of bots, LLMs, wankers and Russians is unfortunately the status quo, quotidien. On the bright side there are lots of lovely folk hereabouts with a large thing between their ears.
- alexchantavy 7mo ago
  > You could look at your denigrators and decide: "fuck you" That escalated quickly and I enjoyed this comment a lot
  - gerdesj 7mo ago
    Happy to oblige.
- bookofjoe 7mo ago
  “a bit of effort” is way more than the reward
Uhhrrr 7mo ago
I have only ever gotten thanks and net positive points for posting archive links.
- joquarky 7mo ago
  In my observation, copyright maximalists tend to be parasites and they get very upset when you even suggest that their products should eventually become part of the commons.
slg 7mo ago
It is interesting that sites like HN have existed for decades and still don't have any real solution for this sort of problem. Is providing a way for us to all bypass paying for this content that cost money to produce actually the most desirable outcome? Like imagine if there was some 90 minute tech documentary on Netflix that was worth discussing here. Could I just rip it and link to a copy on my Google Drive? How long would that link stay up? I can't imagine long. I guess the conclusion based off how these sites operate is that piracy doesn't count when it's just words.
- Terr_ 7mo ago
  > It is interesting that sites like HN have existed for decades and still don't have any real solution for this sort of problem. Heck, I find it odd that we don't even try to model the problem, let alone solve. For example, there's no submitter-tickbox for "this requires additional access", no icon to distinguish between the kinds of items, and and we don't even an informal convention like putting [paywall] in the title. Without even tracking that information, it's very difficult to address the pain-points, such as allowing the submitter to preemptively provide alternate links, or allowing readers to select against certain sites they've already decided they won't subscribe to.
- neom 7mo ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=paywalls%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
  - slg 7mo ago
    That first link is not relevant to the point of my comment. I was not complaining about paywalls. The comment also doesn't address whether paywall bypasses would be acceptable for non-text links. Regarding the second link, I'll happily engage with something specific dang said on this topic if you want to link to it, but a link to every time he said the word "paywalls" is not a productive contribution to this conversation.
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layer8 7mo ago
Looking at your karma, I think you can afford it. ;)

gerdesj 7mo ago

You could look at your denigrators and decide: "fuck you". Internet points are strangely attractive but not vital. You can always post with another account with a bit of effort too. I understand that you are pissed off (as am I too) but debating with an army of bots, LLMs, wankers and Russians is unfortunately the status quo, quotidien. On the bright side there are lots of lovely folk hereabouts with a large thing between their ears.

alexchantavy 7mo ago
> You could look at your denigrators and decide: "fuck you" That escalated quickly and I enjoyed this comment a lot
- gerdesj 7mo ago
  Happy to oblige.
bookofjoe 7mo ago
“a bit of effort” is way more than the reward

Uhhrrr 7mo ago

I have only ever gotten thanks and net positive points for posting archive links.

joquarky 7mo ago
In my observation, copyright maximalists tend to be parasites and they get very upset when you even suggest that their products should eventually become part of the commons.

slg 7mo ago

It is interesting that sites like HN have existed for decades and still don't have any real solution for this sort of problem. Is providing a way for us to all bypass paying for this content that cost money to produce actually the most desirable outcome? Like imagine if there was some 90 minute tech documentary on Netflix that was worth discussing here. Could I just rip it and link to a copy on my Google Drive? How long would that link stay up? I can't imagine long. I guess the conclusion based off how these sites operate is that piracy doesn't count when it's just words.

Terr_ 7mo ago
> It is interesting that sites like HN have existed for decades and still don't have any real solution for this sort of problem. Heck, I find it odd that we don't even try to model the problem, let alone solve. For example, there's no submitter-tickbox for "this requires additional access", no icon to distinguish between the kinds of items, and and we don't even an informal convention like putting [paywall] in the title. Without even tracking that information, it's very difficult to address the pain-points, such as allowing the submitter to preemptively provide alternate links, or allowing readers to select against certain sites they've already decided they won't subscribe to.
neom 7mo ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=paywalls%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
- slg 7mo ago
  That first link is not relevant to the point of my comment. I was not complaining about paywalls. The comment also doesn't address whether paywall bypasses would be acceptable for non-text links. Regarding the second link, I'll happily engage with something specific dang said on this topic if you want to link to it, but a link to every time he said the word "paywalls" is not a productive contribution to this conversation.
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layer8 7mo ago

Looking at your karma, I think you can afford it. ;)