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Show HN: An IDE for poets
- benaiah 14y agoIt thinks "false" is two syllables, which seems to be just a dictionary problem. For something like this, those need to be very diligently squashed if you plan to make something commercial out of it. The editor is way too small - this is a really simple fix. Finally, I'm not sure why this is all in PHP - it seems like this would be much easier to use self-hosted or otherwise packaged if it was client-side only PHP and Javascript. It doesn't look like the program does anything which couldn't be done that way trivially - please correct me if I'm wrong. In other respects, this is pretty basic, but very well-done, particularly for a hackathon project. Nicely done!
- bilalq 14y ago1.) Yeah, there're still some bugs that we need to work out. We also need to come up with a more scalable solution of finding rhymes if we go commercial. 2.) Yeah, you're right. We just wanted something that would look good on the projector during our demo. This needs to be tweaked. 3.) You're right for the most part. We didn't really know how we'd be implementing it at the beginning. We thought we'd need to do a lot of heavy server-side processing (which turned out to be a false assumption). We do want to add the ability for users to exist and have poems saved under their account that they can share and stuff though. 4.) Thanks! We decided early on that it'd be better to do a few things well than try to implement a lot of half finished features.
- nicklovescode 14y agoNot sure if this would be helpful, but I built http://nickcammarata.com/haiku/ http://nickcammarata.com/haiku/ a while ago, which has some code for calculating syllables. http://nickcammarata.com/haiku/haiku.coffee http://nickcammarata.com/haiku/haiku.coffee (or .js)
- msluyter 14y agoAn IDE for poets As shown on Hacker News I'll venture: it's a nice opus But sometimes slow to use
- justhw 14y agoHow do I save what I wrote?
- pyrotechnick 14y agoCopy/Paste Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Or you could fork it (http://github.com/bilalq/Tranquillity-Editor http://github.com/bilalq/Tranquillity-Editor) and add it in for yourself ;)
- ghayes 14y agoThat really bothered me. I understand this is demonstrating a novel UI and user experience, but lack of "save" genuinely ruined my experience.
- chuppo 14y agoYeah because copy/pasting into notepad/gedit/whatever and clicking save is too much work, you would rather want a save button that goes through thousands more hoops, but now someone else does it for you, to have it stored in a server you will never be able to access.
- bilalq 14y agoThis is something we didn't get to at the hackathon. I agree that this is a feature that needs to be there. We plan on implementing a user system where people can save their poems and choose whether they're private or public. We don't really want to add more features than necessary though. Less is more and whatnot.
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- gordonguthrie 14y agoYou want to save it into Github with revision I would say - a bit like http://prose.io/ http://prose.io/
- DaniFong 14y agothis makes me happy :-)
- anqo 14y agoIt went and went Like a sent Pequot; For at wit's end Lied St. Bernard; Clothe me master Welcome the foe To them that desire To supper at the broth; Oh majesty, the flock, The dismembered joint, What captured Lemeaux! - Dean Rykicz 1903
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- pyrotechnick 14y agoBilal, what you have created here is really quite wonderful. Please don't smother it with complexity in adding the endless myriad of features people will undoubtedly try to convince you are necessary. Playing with this has really inspired me to write something today. Thank you.
- bilalq 14y agoThanks! That's sound advice. We don't plan on adding more features than necessary. A user system with sharing and persistence of poems should be sufficient.
- ChrisWoodall 14y agoI also made a Text Statistics javascript class based off of Mr. Child's! Any plans on putting your version on GitHub - I'd love to star it and use it to improve the version below. https://github.com/christopherwoodall/Text-Statistics/blob/master/TextStatistics.js https://github.com/christopherwoodall/Text-Statistics/blob/m... as a Chrome addon https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/reading-level/lgfkoomolojabhimencanoanmmabfopi https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/reading-level/lgfk... edit: found it https://github.com/bilalq/Tranquillity-Editor/blob/master/public/js/TextStatistics.js https://github.com/bilalq/Tranquillity-Editor/blob/master/pu...
- bilalq 14y agoThat's awesome, Chris. Our code base is already on Github: https://github.com/bilalq/Tranquillity-Editor https://github.com/bilalq/Tranquillity-Editor
- rmzi 14y agoGreat job at Hack 'n Jill, Bilal. Looking forward to more cool projects!
- Groxx 14y agoVery nice! Inviting and obvious UI, immediate feedback, this is great stuff. Any plans for this project? And to top it all off, I can't stop reading that placeholder poem in Yoda's voice.
- minikomi 14y agoSweaty palmed, I click submit and reeled in fatal terror; My MVP, I thought I'd shipped... Internal Server Error Edit: This is a wonderful thing. Thank you. Make a (cheap) mobile app with sharing & I'll buy it!
- dannyobrien 14y agoI'm sure you've thought of it, but one could actually get this to do scansion too -- the CMU dictionary here http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/cmudict http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/cmudict has stress and syllable breakdowns.
- taejo 14y agoI've tried to use CMUdict for computational poetry... it turns out to be more difficult than it seems at first because stress is context-dependant (especially with monosyllables).
- dannyobrien 14y agoI'm sure you've thought of it, but one could actually get this to do scansion too -- the CMU dictionary here http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/cmudict http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/cmudict has stress and syllable breakdowns.
- dy 14y agoI'm an occasional poet and this is something I've always wanted to build/find. Thanks for putting this together!
- tomasien 14y agoMy first thought "whoa: this is an IDE for songwriters" I'll use the shit out of it!
- elwin 14y agoThis is neat. I was skeptical about the rhyme matching feature, but I ended up using one of its suggestions. When lines wrap, they stop lining up with the syllable counts. It would also be nice if the continued lines were indented, but I'm not sure if that's possible with CSS2.
- levlandau 14y agoThis is brilliant :)
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- jakx 14y agoThat is similar to my poetry site -- http://www.literarycorner.org http://www.literarycorner.org except mine has user accounts and publishing.
- themanr 14y agoI'm not going to sign up just to check the interface out. Maybe you could implement lazy registration.
- craze3 14y agoThis is awesome! I've actually been working on something similar to this for awhile. Definitely a great hackathon project :)
- kmcloughlin 14y agoA while ago, I came across a test posted here on HN by a researcher at Duke. He was trying to determine if entrepreneurs are more inclined to take risks than other types of people, as part of an ongoing experiment designed to elicit "what it is" that makes entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs. Some time after that, in a moment where, I've got to admit, I felt pretty defeated by the difficulties my friends and I were encountering in our startup, I ended up writing a poem. Not sure how or why it happened, since the words seemed to just 'appear' as if out of thin air, but the end result is something that speaks a great deal - to me at least - about the "whatness" of entrepreneurs. It takes passion to create something that lives outside yourself, and courage too. The same two qualities which the ancient Greek poets prized above all others in their works. Makes me wonder if modern-day founders would've been poets in earlier times lol. Good luck with your project! --The Bouldrèd Night-- The bouldrèd cliff jutting faintly upon far-off lands a' horizon's light Shows but a whisper of might, but 'ere the closing day foreshadows Defiance borne roughly upon the humble spot of soul and bras. What power's this come thundrèd forth from falling skies? Keen eyes all watch, yet but few allow the self to see and tell. Many lights, born free, bear out their sights in visions Birthed of other men's ambitions - with scarce looks not in Augury of pomp and silver for their avariced jailer's Searching leap upon the newly-minted throne, gilt of old. How strange is this? That we should bear ourselves Towards despair, and walk, 'ere the gallows, Hooded, our shackled soul wound round the neck in dreams, False-true, abandoned free of vice for Clarity's comforted Embrace of those acquainted, once met, never cared.
- jchavez 14y agoThank you for giving me the opportunity to write. Here you go. Hmmm, first time, adult content? Pimp done forgot that he was once able to rhyme a lot He had the time to slip and slide and if he was lucky, he got to go for a ride. These days ain't nuttin' but foolin' Dealin' in tricks and he hopes it's just retoolin' Fixing himself up with money, So one day he can taste that sweet sweet honey. The truth is that he forgot that the street don't Ain't no convincing the street you'll come out on top, you just won't Better to play the slots boy and pray that you don't get a visit from that ol' Rob Roy Better cut your losses quick If you see something brown and sticky, likely to be a stick Be smart boy and get back to rhymin' Ain't no facin' death if you xxxx up the timin'.
- JesseAldridge 14y agoWhat is this I see? This I don't understand. Near matches, you say? I am at your command. But the matches don't match! The rhymes, they are off! What am I to do? My brain is too soft. Yet now I move boldly Into a new verse The fucking matches don't work. Fuck this bullshit. I could try to understand. Study like I'm in school. The numbers on the left. They seem kind of cool. But my attention can't hold. The wide internet looms. If I am your target, your product is doomed.
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- demodesigns 14y agoLet me start of by saying thank you! Your feedback is great at any rate The near matches are there to guide you through Tough words you may face that leave you stuck at the gate But alas near matches help give you a clue To help keep your poem straight This tool is still yet a hack and much too new Have a bit of hope and we will help you create Great poetry for all to view I don't believe we are doomed in fate The poem you created was amazing and true I see it as a victory that you found time to try and operate So please let us try to make your experience less blue By letting us know what we can improve to ease your current state
- JesseAldridge 14y agoI do think it's nice I poke and I jest This mu'fuckin thingy It's really the best Despite the bad rhymes Showing up on the right I think this here app Is tighter than tight Do you not see wrong words? Showing up over there? Right now it says "bright" Which we both know ain't right My poem til here Was like ABCB? A failure perhaps To detect that rhyme scheme? I'm not a poet I think you can tell I'm just like a kid Just ringing a bell So what do I know? Maybe it's right. I'll stop here for now And bid you goodnight. Edit: Ooohhhh, I'm supposed to enter the Rhyme Scheme manually. I assumed it was supposed to be automatically inferred from the poem. It wasn't obvious to me that the rhyme scheme is an input field.
- feniv 14y agoThis is wonderful! What API/dataset are you using for the rhymes?
- anderslindgaard 14y agoCoding life Fucking wife
- TravisLS 14y agoThis is great. Thanks for posting it. I had some trouble with the syllable counts, but this is really useful for, well, quickly writing rhyming poetry. Good work.
- oulipian 14y agoIf you're looking for suggestions: If you really want people to use this as a writing tool, make the interface itself more tranquil - the "Tranquillity" title is distracting, and the poem title typeface is awful. Not everyone who writes poetry is into that kind of frilly aesthetic. Find a few well-designed poetry books to use as design examples. A full-screen mode would be easy to implement and super useful. Similarly, the rhyming tools are interesting, but make them hideable for anyone who is not using them. I would use a thesaurus a thousand times more often than a rhyming dictionary. I actually like the fixed-width font but suspect many wouldn't. Maybe an option to switch between fixed-width and not. Also, I expect to be able to use the tab key to indent, but it doesn't work here. Saving and revision control would be great.
- hakunin 14y agofoo bar baz qux quux corge grault garble trucks warg fred plugh and xyzzy thud clearly i'm not busy
- ChristianMarks 14y agoI noticed some metric irregularities when Tranquility was supplied with the masterwork entitled, "The Fortitudes of Ancient Testiclies" (an obscure Greco-Roman poet), written by the equally obscure Roman poet Platitudinus. 10 For strength I turn to ancient Testiclies! 10 Few cantos of his Gonadology 7 survive: he influenced Hippocrates! 10 Dualities, another work, contrasts 10 constipation with gastroenteritis. 9 What would the Poet Testiclies have said? 10 Science must be pursued for its own sake 9 And never to impress potential mates! But it is a great project.
- jtheory 14y agoHmm; the one line that doesn't have 10 syllables (constipation..) shows as having 10, and it likely doesn't have a way to show the ones where the stresses don't line up right. Though to be fair, this is a tricky problem, especially if people throw in invented words and names. This is one of those things that's probably far easier to solve in your head after a bit of practice than programmatically!
- teddyknox 14y agoI had fun with it. This work-in-progress poem came off a little too depressing though. :) hello world, I'll finally display Those conditions that I might live one day and given my arguments local and global I cannot say where to be is my focal so sure of my halt but not the end of my efforts overflowing with input or gridlocked in semaphore?
- Kronopath 14y agoVery nice. I noticed an irregularity in the dictionary though – for some reason "farewell" is seen as having 3 syllables when it only has 2. (At least the way I pronounce it...)
- EGreg 14y agoThere once was a guy from HN Who ran out of ink in his pen He made a site And it's working alright But only for then and again
- EGreg 14y agoThere once was a guy from HN Who ran out of ink in his pen He made a site And it's working alright But only for then and again
- Leszek 14y agoI like the idea of rhyme suggestions. It'd be even cooler to add n-gram support for smarter suggestions.... maybe I'll try adding that.
- forkrulassail 14y agoGreat idea.
- furbo 14y agofor ages I've been pondering if there's a word named yombering untilix dawned on me that flimbonapermee whatever smolteroo has clept axontheru nex clamper withapod troliqui glorkisquad.
- amazedsaint 14y agoThis IDE is here to stay, I played with it much like clay, There is a lot more to say, But they may think I'm an array.
- neutronicus 14y agoIt'd be really cool if a) you added meter and b) you added preset rhyme / meter schemes like "Sonnet"
- forkrulassail 14y agoWould be great if you could detect the rhyme scheme, or set it as fixed.
- ledhund 14y agoa site for a poet makes writing haikus easy i still suck at it
- javis 14y agoI have two English assignments in poetry coming up. This is just what I was looking for, thanks!
- Uhhrrr 14y agoThis is cool. I didn't see anyone else asking for spell check, so may I be the first? Also, some sort of completion would be nice - maybe have tab complete the top word?
- maguay 14y agoSince most browsers have spell check built-in, I'd figure they wouldn't need to add that.
- TeMPOraL 14y agoGreat concept! This needs to become an Emacs mode.
- shasa 14y agoExcellent ! I was looking for a like button on the page :)
- hayksaakian 14y agoComments pack a bite, Albeit often trite. An IDE, For poetry? Is really quite alright.
- gdg92989 14y agoPoets and rappers
- jay-pinkman 14y agonice! it even provoked me to spend some time writing this something instead of going to bed (sorry for the rant, i'm a bad bad sleep-deprived poet:) i think duck typing is retarded. although sometimes it is regarded as an elegant solution to your code base evolution don't let simplicity of use and the surrounding hype confuse your inner paranoid coder who wants to keep the code in order. don't let your laziness corrupt your bits and bytes and interrupt execution of your program. type annotations do no harm, but add perfection to the scene. without'em source code looks obscene. so don't be shy to add some strictness, let the compiler check the fitness of your fondly written code. and to conclude this episode i'd like to say it to the masses: let compilers save your asses!
- speleding 14y agoI have a simply query, is there a way to replace the dictionary? the language I would like to change for me, Klingon poetry is too strange
- lazerwalker 14y agoAlternate rhyming dictionaries is actually a really interesting problem, as different cultures have different ideas of what the ideal rhyme is. In English, words where the onset consonant is the same (e.g. 'tend' and 'attend') are considered relatively poor rhymes, whereas in French they're considered to be "rich". In Portugese, even the part of speech is taken into account: a rhyme between a noun and a verb is considered a better rhyme, say, than two nouns that rhyme. This is obviously a solved problems (I mean, you can buy rhyming dictionaries in France or Portugal), but I wonder if it would have any interesting ramifications on the design of the feature.
- wazoox 14y agoWhat's really missing is a language choice. A switchable dictionary would be great.
- azat_co 14y agoAll night we hack, And sleep we lack. We eat junk food, The code is crude. Nevertheless, Friends are impressed, When in the morning, Our post on HN* is roaring!
- PeterMcCanney 14y agoDelete not this post for fear of shame for written here is the poster's name And when he's dead his ghost will come and say Why did you delete my post anyway?
- rixmit 14y agoWhat does this do?
- PakG1 14y agoI thought I'd continue my work But HN gets in my way And now I found another toy To replace my work with play Damn you HN, what have you done? Always getting in my way Someday I'll get you back and more Then you will feel dismay
- adrianhoward 14y agoThis is lovely. I always get a special joy from seeing things like this. This is something I would never have thought of. It fills such an obvious hole in hindsight. It opens up a place where folk can suddenly experiment and play with something that they might have been afraid of previously. It opens things up. This reminds me of when I helped out with some teacher training in my teens waaaaay back in 1986/87. We were showing some primary school teachers and primary school kids their first computers. Some simple paint programs. Some simple word processors. This is a mouse. Etc. I remember this one eight or nine year old loving the delete key in the word processor "I can make the mistakes go away" he said. We left some of the kids messing about with the machines as we talked to the teachers. 30m later that kid came back to drag us over to see this couple of hundred word story that he'd tapped out. The teacher said that, if she hadn't seen it herself, she wouldn't have believed the kid could have produced it. Grammar, spelling, plot, etc. were worlds above his normal standard. Because he could make the mistakes go away. The look on that lads face as he took that story away with him (we printed it out for him) still brings tears to the eye of this cynical old bastard. I've always bit really terrible at poetry. I played with this for 30m. Bravo.
- diminish 14y agoIt is a remarkable idea how far an IDE can go; I wonder if an emacs poetry mode would do the same job.
- bonobo 14y agoAnecdotes like yours are one of the main reasons I read HN. Thanks for sharing. Now back to the subject of the thread, kudos to the author. Every time I try conveying an idea into a poem I get stuck on the sounds of the words; it's rather hard to me to find the right rhymes, especially since English is not my native language and I'm used to read far more than to listen to it. And back to another side note, I stumbled upon this writing by Joe Davis called Telescopic Text [1] a few years ago, and loved it. He also built a tool [2] to aid writing texts on the same format and, though I never managed to finish a text myself, I found the tool rather amusing too. [1] http://www.telescopictext.com/ http://www.telescopictext.com/ [2] http://www.telescopictext.org/ http://www.telescopictext.org/
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- Thrall 14y agoThe syllable count fails on some words. For example "naïve". If you can't trust the program to count syllables at least as reliably as the writer using it, what use is it? Interesting idea though.
- Thrall 14y agoIronically, the diaeresis which it probably ignored is essentially an indication that the two adjacent vowels do not form a digraph and hence form parts of two syllables. (Admittedly, umlauts and diaereses are represented by the same characters on a computer, but their placement with respect to other vowels gives them away most of the time.)
- ceeK 14y agoThis..is..awesome.
- JoeCamel 14y agoyour thoughts never reference me i should be marked-and-swept but there is nobody to collect me i am a soul leak
- phatbyte 14y agoAt first I thought this was useless, another weekend lame project that people show here in HN. Boy I was wrong, this an awesome tool. Congrats
- pre 14y agoThat's pretty nice, I like it. The syllable counter throws an error when you type a line with the word "Watch" in it though. I have some lyrics I need to write at some point soon, bookmarked for when I have time to actually do that.
- rooshdi 14y agoI peddle down the street, With a subtle tremble at my feet, Gazing at what's ahead, My mind tired and eyes red, I want to pull away, But must push for today, Before eyes weave shut, And trails leave no trace. push
- JonnieCache 14y agoAdd a big "writers block" button that pushes everything youve written through a markov chain.
- fox91 14y agoWow! I like it! Just a note: Make the placeholder look like a placeholder, I was ready to submit a bug because I tought it as real text and I was trying to select and delete it.
- nathell 14y agoNow add support for recurring lines/patterns, not just rhymes. Like, vilanellas, rondels, rondeaus, etc.
- jahewson 14y agoWhat a pleasure to see! Here's my MVP: Minimum Viable Poem
- dav 14y agoAs a long self-proclaimed / hacker-poet I'm ashamed / to have never considered / A poem editor wizard! ---- (luckily I'm a better hacker)
- dschiptsov 14y agoThis is exactly what is wrong. A poem, or a program or mathematical prove could be written down only after it has been emerged, formed to some extent, in one's mind. When people sat town to write something but having no idea that was thought over for a long time (consciously and as background processes) with hope that an IDE will help them quickly put together a program, or a poem, they will end up with a mediocre piece of a crap. It is true for almost every kind of writing, including letters or blog-posts. Matlab alone cannot help you prove anything. Being a poet (or programmer) is a habit of the mind. A rhythm is not a problem, the meaning is.
- andrewflnr 14y agoPersonally, I find that pieces of writing come out in little shreds over time; I was hoping this would be something that would assist in the process of recording and putting them together, or maybe some sort of nonlinear text editor that lets you have multiple alternate phrasings for a line. But no, I guess I'll still have to write it myself.
- zemo 14y agoIt doesn't promise to make a poet out of you, it's just a toy. You know, for fun. People don't start anything correctly; babies don't start life running marathons or breezing through piano suites, we learn through play and toys are the tools of play. This is a toy for poetry, remarkably beautiful in its simplicity and the way in which it invites one to play. but it seems you have never played before.
- diminoten 14y agoI disagree with this, but am fascinated by the idea of what you're saying. When I write (code) , I don't do so with an idea of what I'm going to say down to the word (module), but I do have a vague idea of what I want to say (do). This paragraph, for example; I knew I disagreed with you, but I had to write it out to explore why. If I'm trying to conform to some arbitrary rhyming scheme (syntax), I'm going to be faster in my writing if I can see what all of my options are.
- ville 14y agoI was just playing with this new web app That is an IDE for poem writing My rhymes, I admit, were quite dull and bad But the experience - exciting!
- jcurbo 14y agoSounds like future HN meetups need poetry readings now.
- MrDrone 14y agoI hate to be a naysayer but I'm not sure how helpful this would be to your average poet. Things like rhyme and meter counts are rarely involved in early drafts of poems. If you're shooting for a certain style or form typically you keep that in mind as you produce but I'd wager the vast majority of work being produced today doesn't follow any major scheme. This seems like a tool made for poets without the input of poets based on a skewed idea of what a poet needs. EDIT: I've been writing poetry for about 4 years and have taken 5+ university poetry classes. I'm by no means a "poet" or in anyway an expert on poetry but to me, I'm not sure I understand the strength in this. First, when I'm looking for something to write in I absolutely want a minimalist interface. Anything more than that is an immediate distraction. I use iA Writer on a Macbook Air or on an iPad. I've heard combinations like this described as "typewriter" like in their single-task orientation. This app has too many distractions. While writing the last thing I would want to break my flow is a barrage of information about bits and pieces of my work that, for the most part, aren't relevant. I do not write with any sort of meter or rhyme in mind (rhyming as a crutch is an amateur device and the biggest red flag of someone with an incomplete knowledge of poetry) but after critiques from peers and layers of revisions sometimes these elements do come out and get accentuated in my work. In the ballpark of features I would like? Collaboration! Workshopping poems is by far the most satisfying and useful way to improve your poetry. Find ways to share documents with multiple people, get feedback and respond to it. Things like Google Docs/Drive have barriers of entry that if you can remove would make this app excellent for sharing with peers who aren't local. Right now I use a combination of Google Drive, iCloud and email to share my work, keep track of revisions and send out requests. Its probably the most major hurdle in my workflow and something begging to be addressed for writers.
- sequoia 14y agoI don't think you should take this tool too seriously. . . . after all, it's just poetry, right?
- mhitza 14y ago> Find ways to share documents with multiple people, get feedback and respond to it. Things like Google Docs/Drive have barriers of entry that if you can remove would make this app excellent for sharing with peers who aren't local. This idea was an actual project I started building at one time, but from all the people I know it didn't seem to solve their problems. Unaware of the potential user base I left it stagnant for a long time. Maybe knowing that indeed there are others with the same idea, I should hop back on that and do a MVP to test it out. About this tool as a helper, it is adequate in fact to the term IDE. For all you say in your comment about concentrating on the subject first, is the same mentally I shift to when coding by using vim, instead of an IDE (which I use mostly at work only).
- shreyas-satish 14y agoLook at all these hackers, Using an app, rhyming their prosaic chapters. Are they gone? The times when love and loss, Inspired mankind, towards poems and songs? Quit bitchin' & give it a spin, You silently curse, Didn't you see? I already joined; this fucking circus. Awesome hack OP! Thank you for doing this.
- mratzloff 14y agoI quite like your poetry IDE But it doesn't count acronyms properly Or syllables, "poetry" has three not two But small complaints aside, bugs are quite few!
- brutuscat 14y agoHere is mine: I did it! Did I? No, it seems This index is a disease Why this explain query want me to die? Oh, I can see now... I won't cry I will try Mongodb Covered Index to fly But I can't lie It has to scan my collection hard better a compound one, the docs reply my expectations were too high
- lukev 14y agoThis is really interesting, and a beautiful little project. Unfortunately, I don't think it will be of any use to actual poets... Rhyming isn't really in style for modern poetry, and what there is is usually more subtle internal rhymes rather than heavy end-rhymes. Still, this is a ton of fun to write doggrel with. (source: my wife has an MFA in poetry)
- buzz27 14y agoDitto - my partner is poet ... this is neat, but doesn't relate to what poets do nowadays. That said, this has prompted some very interesting discussion of what kinds of tools /would/ be useful.
- mhartl 14y agoPerhaps your observation indicates a defect of "modern" poetry, a defect that a project such as this might help remedy. I'd wager that Homer, Dante, and Shakespeare would be surprised to learn that non-rhyming poetry was ever "in style"—though I suppose dactylic hexameter, terza rima, and sonnets are a bit end-rhyme-heavy.
- vacri 14y agoWhy does a poem need to rhyme before it can be considered free of defects?
- lukev 14y agoConsidering Shakespeare wrote mostly blank verse (unrhymed) and Homer wrote unrhymed dactylic hexameter... I'd take that wager. Greek and Latin poetry is actually almost never end-rhymed... because Greek and Latin are heavily inflected with lots of conjugations and declensions, the "endings" of words are often the same and a bit too obvious. Rhyming poetry actually came into style for a couple centuries in English poetry... it's by no means a universal feature of poetry. Edit: Also, I guarantee that "finding a rhyme" is not the bottleneck that's keeping modern poets from writing rhyming poetry.
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- endian 14y agoI've got people in the Delaware D.O.C. I send 'em 89 bucks, they send me equity! Collaborate or compete, 'til HN's header goes sable I'll put a cap in your ass or put your ass in a cap table.
- venatiodecorus 14y agoi think you'd have a pretty great mobile app on your hands here if you added a social/sharing side. A timeline of top poems. Instagram for poetry pretty much.
- norswap 14y agoI don't like the conception that a poem should rhyme. I know that the poems I find most brilliant never do.
- qq66 14y agoThe question, of course, when you liberate the poem from rhyme, is "what is a poem?" What now differentiates a poem from prose?
- dzuc 14y agoIs this just in the air right now? ( I built this over the weekend: http://dzucconi.github.com/haiku http://dzucconi.github.com/haiku )
- Cataclysmic 14y agoKind of fun actually. Here's my poem: This is a test It does not attest. I want to go to the park But I'm not a patriarch Do you like it?
- Cataclysmic 14y agoDarn it put my poem all on one line. You get the idea.
- tripzilch 14y agoGreat job, doesn't work in Opera! And what's more, it fails silently so I just spent 5 minutes wasting my time to see when this app would start different from a plain text area in a bright minimalist layout (that doesn't tell anything about the functionality one is supposed to expect), it wasn't until I read the discussion here that I fired up Chrome.
- Seqwinome 14y agojlkk
- ryanmacleod 14y agoInteresting idea.. I think what might even be more helpful is something that would count syllables for you, iambic pentameter, etc.