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I want the location on every time, without exception. The current behavior is exactly what I wanted. These "all users are imbeciles that need our protection"

I want the location on every time, without exception. The current behavior is exactly what I wanted. These "all users are imbeciles that need our protection" design pattern needs to die a swift death. It's maddening, We're constantly taking kitchen knives and replacing them with the colorful plastic toddler version and still have the same cutting tasks.

dylan604 6mo ago
I was a fan of the idea that the OS would strip location data on any upload via web/app, but would preserve the data when doing specific types of transfers deemed not via third party like direct transfer to computer or AirDrop
- kristopolous 6mo ago
  Upload file doesn't mean mutate file. No. Upload file means upload file. If you want to mutate the file, mutate the file. When tools assume you're stupid and insert silent surprises unrelated to the task they no longer deserve the title "tool" because they are fundamentally doing other things.
  - raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
    Most people have no idea when they upload a “photo” they are also letting anyone know their “location”. On iOS at least, from the browser, you specifically choose whether you want to upload a file from the Files app (that lets you upload files from iCloud, Google Drive, Dropbox or any other storage type service you have installed) or a photo.
    - kristopolous 6mo ago
      These "all users are imbeciles that need our protection" design pattern needs to die a swift death.
      - raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
        Yes and no one who knows how to change an engine should drive a car. This is why geeks make horrible product people and after 30 years geeks are still waiting for “The Year of Linux on the Desktop”.
        kristopolous 6mo ago
        What you're advocating for is more like the Bluetooth hijacking when you get in a car of transferring your call from you ear piece to your sound system as if you want to blast your phone call to everyone in the parking lot. Turn on car doesn't mean hijack Bluetooth connection. Let me phrase this another way: "Computer, I told you to transfer file, not strip meta data". About Linux: it won the Unix war, the cloud computing war, the embedded war, and is the most installed OS on the planet.
        raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
        And absolutely no one knows they are using Linux. Google had to hide all of the Unix underpinnings and do things like this to make it usable. As far as the BT car issue. I don’t have that issue. I turned off wireless CarPlay, don’t use BT and I connect my phone to my car using a regular old USB C cable to avoid that issue - and it’s more reliable
        kristopolous 6mo ago
        See you've done all this workaround, fighting with what some designer did because they assumed all the users are imbeciles. The problem shouldn't exist. The object should do what we instruct, and not have its own opinions of us and do stuff on our behalf presuming incompetency Let's take another example, the 4chan-ification of the web making everything ephemeral. All the feed based sites basically hide what you just saw forever. They've fundamentally broken the web and made all content disposable. It's no longer an addressable public record. It breaks the fundamental storage and organization principles of why computers exist and the fundamental purposes of why they're networked together, as a shared communal record. Seeing this working well goes back to original online spaces like this in the 1970s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Memory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Memory Or my favorite quote about this > It was like an interactive bulletin board. This wasn’t a machine behind a locked door calling shots, quantifying your inadequacies… No! You could touch it. It was a radical reversal. We all knew who the computer was. But, this time, it had no idea who we were.” “Sounds like chaos!” Thomas responds. > “No! It was anything but!” Orion snaps back protectively, “I could sit at the keyboard and it would say”hello human”. A black woman could sit down and it would say “hello human”. Henry Kissinger could. It would say “hello human” and not for any redemption on his part. > It’s because the computer was taught how to help but nobody had fed it Instruction on how to hate. It was then I first saw the computer as a place. A place of hope: an apotheosis of everything I fight for and every thing I want the world to be.” Instead we've broken this and made things aggressively caustic to the human spirit and it shows. Social media is a poison because it's designed poisonously. This is a deep and systemic problem. You didn't have to see it It's there but you don't have to see it
raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
And most people don’t want their location shared with random websites.
rickdeckard 6mo ago
Seems to be quite simple, an App which wants to access this info just needs to set the permission for it. Chrome doesn't seem to request that permission, so the OS doesn't provide the location-data to the app. If your app targets Android 10 (API level 29) or higher and needs to retrieve unredacted EXIF metadata from photos, you need to declare the ACCESS_MEDIA_LOCATION permission in your app's manifest, then request this permission at runtime. Source: https://developer.android.com/training/data-storage/shared/media#media-location-permission https://developer.android.com/training/data-storage/shared/m...

dylan604 6mo ago

I was a fan of the idea that the OS would strip location data on any upload via web/app, but would preserve the data when doing specific types of transfers deemed not via third party like direct transfer to computer or AirDrop

kristopolous 6mo ago
Upload file doesn't mean mutate file. No. Upload file means upload file. If you want to mutate the file, mutate the file. When tools assume you're stupid and insert silent surprises unrelated to the task they no longer deserve the title "tool" because they are fundamentally doing other things.
- raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
  Most people have no idea when they upload a “photo” they are also letting anyone know their “location”. On iOS at least, from the browser, you specifically choose whether you want to upload a file from the Files app (that lets you upload files from iCloud, Google Drive, Dropbox or any other storage type service you have installed) or a photo.
  - kristopolous 6mo ago
    These "all users are imbeciles that need our protection" design pattern needs to die a swift death.
    - raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
      Yes and no one who knows how to change an engine should drive a car. This is why geeks make horrible product people and after 30 years geeks are still waiting for “The Year of Linux on the Desktop”.
      - kristopolous 6mo ago
        What you're advocating for is more like the Bluetooth hijacking when you get in a car of transferring your call from you ear piece to your sound system as if you want to blast your phone call to everyone in the parking lot. Turn on car doesn't mean hijack Bluetooth connection. Let me phrase this another way: "Computer, I told you to transfer file, not strip meta data". About Linux: it won the Unix war, the cloud computing war, the embedded war, and is the most installed OS on the planet.
        raw_anon_1111 6mo ago
        And absolutely no one knows they are using Linux. Google had to hide all of the Unix underpinnings and do things like this to make it usable. As far as the BT car issue. I don’t have that issue. I turned off wireless CarPlay, don’t use BT and I connect my phone to my car using a regular old USB C cable to avoid that issue - and it’s more reliable
        kristopolous 6mo ago
        See you've done all this workaround, fighting with what some designer did because they assumed all the users are imbeciles. The problem shouldn't exist. The object should do what we instruct, and not have its own opinions of us and do stuff on our behalf presuming incompetency Let's take another example, the 4chan-ification of the web making everything ephemeral. All the feed based sites basically hide what you just saw forever. They've fundamentally broken the web and made all content disposable. It's no longer an addressable public record. It breaks the fundamental storage and organization principles of why computers exist and the fundamental purposes of why they're networked together, as a shared communal record. Seeing this working well goes back to original online spaces like this in the 1970s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Memory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Memory Or my favorite quote about this > It was like an interactive bulletin board. This wasn’t a machine behind a locked door calling shots, quantifying your inadequacies… No! You could touch it. It was a radical reversal. We all knew who the computer was. But, this time, it had no idea who we were.” “Sounds like chaos!” Thomas responds. > “No! It was anything but!” Orion snaps back protectively, “I could sit at the keyboard and it would say”hello human”. A black woman could sit down and it would say “hello human”. Henry Kissinger could. It would say “hello human” and not for any redemption on his part. > It’s because the computer was taught how to help but nobody had fed it Instruction on how to hate. It was then I first saw the computer as a place. A place of hope: an apotheosis of everything I fight for and every thing I want the world to be.” Instead we've broken this and made things aggressively caustic to the human spirit and it shows. Social media is a poison because it's designed poisonously. This is a deep and systemic problem. You didn't have to see it It's there but you don't have to see it

raw_anon_1111 6mo ago

And most people don’t want their location shared with random websites.

rickdeckard 6mo ago

Seems to be quite simple, an App which wants to access this info just needs to set the permission for it. Chrome doesn't seem to request that permission, so the OS doesn't provide the location-data to the app. If your app targets Android 10 (API level 29) or higher and needs to retrieve unredacted EXIF metadata from photos, you need to declare the ACCESS_MEDIA_LOCATION permission in your app's manifest, then request this permission at runtime. Source: https://developer.android.com/training/data-storage/shared/media#media-location-permission https://developer.android.com/training/data-storage/shared/m...