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I love seeing this, and love seeing regulations working exactly as wanted! What I see is basically "We're unable to serve this website without compromising your

I love seeing this, and love seeing regulations working exactly as wanted! What I see is basically "We're unable to serve this website without compromising your privacy, so instead of pretending or giving you a choice, we give you this message so you can turn around".

ciupicri 7mo ago
Right... as if can trust some random American or other non-European website that it really respects the law. What are you gonna do if it breaks the GDPR law? GDPR ruined the Internet.
- master-lincoln 7mo ago
  I'd argue greedy capitalists ruined it. They were also the cause of GDPR
  - philipallstar 7mo ago
    They also built it out.
troad 7mo ago
> "We're unable to serve this website without compromising your privacy... " More accurately, "we do not have the staff or funds to figure out what every single random law around the globe requires of us, and since foreign countries are not a realistic advertising market for a local Michigan newspaper, there's really no reason for us to try."
- embedding-shape 7mo ago
  Well, you don't have to do any of that stuff if you either are upfront about selling user data and ask if it's OK, or if you just don't do that stuff at all.
  - troad 7mo ago
    European law imposes a great deal more obligations on a business than that. This claim is simplistic to the point of disingenuousness.
    - embedding-shape 7mo ago
      Since obviously there is no "European law" in the first place, I think it's pretty safe to assume you have no idea what you're talking about.
      - Ylpertnodi 7mo ago
        Interpol would like a word.
        embedding-shape 7mo ago
        > Interpol would like a word. Also not a "European law" by any measure or understanding, that's a international organization that does police cooperation across the continent (and further), it isn't even a law enforcement agency... Not exactly sure how you could confuse that with laws, but here we are.
      - throwaway920102 7mo ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Services_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Services_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula... Here are three.
      - troad 7mo ago
        That would be rather surprising to the large number of law schools that teach European Law as a core subject, such as the Panthéon-Sorbonne (Droit européen), Bologna U (Diritto Europeo), and Humboldt U (Europarecht). Equally surprised would be the authors of very many legal books and journals, e.g. https://www.cambridge.org/core/browse-subjects/law/european-law https://www.cambridge.org/core/browse-subjects/law/european-...
- charcircuit 7mo ago
  >since foreign countries are not a realistic advertising market for a local Michigan newspaper This may be true for in house ads, but there are ad networks that already are able to personalize ads and have ad inventory for such foreign countries.
ataru 7mo ago
It's illegal for us to steal from you, so we won't invite you inside.
hypeatei 7mo ago
What does GDPR get you that browser settings and an extension don't? I'm genuinely curious how random websites refusing to serve content / spamming cookie banners is a good thing? The data download and removal side of GDPR seems useful for more "entrenched" use cases where you have an account and a long history on a service but... fly-by website visits should not be this heavily regulated. Blocking cookies and scripts is trivial.
- colejohnson66 7mo ago
  I should not need extensions for a business to respect my privacy. It's as simple as that. If you look at it through an equity angle, needing extensions relegates the negative effects to those that are already not "well off" — the technologically illiterate who don't know what to do or know someone who does.
  - hypeatei 7mo ago
    So someone's refusal to make a couple clicks to install an extension necessitates: 1) millions of users having to click to get the annoying popup off their screen, 2) installing an extension to block those anyway, and 3) a more fractured internet where website operators outright refuse to serve content because of liability? I'd bet a very large sum of money that the technologically illiterate don't read anything on those popups and click "Accept all cookies"
    - 3form 7mo ago
      How does someone's refusal to install an extension necessitate millions of users having to close the popup? I guess you mean someone as in "vast majority of population"?
  - Minor49er 7mo ago
    Why is the government making efforts to increase technological literacy not an option?
    - 7mo ago
DeathArrow 7mo ago
Or "we don't care about respecting stupid laws in your country. If you don't like being blocked, take the issue to your politicians."
- embedding-shape 7mo ago
  But that's the thing, making them outright say "we don't care about respecting stupid laws in your country" (which for us means "we need to continue to be able to sell user data without notifying we do this") is not an "issue", that's the whole benefit of it in the first place. Anyways, it sounds like a win-win here, they get to not care, and we get to be rejected with clear reasons why, so again, benefits all around.

ciupicri 7mo ago

Right... as if can trust some random American or other non-European website that it really respects the law. What are you gonna do if it breaks the GDPR law? GDPR ruined the Internet.

master-lincoln 7mo ago
I'd argue greedy capitalists ruined it. They were also the cause of GDPR
- philipallstar 7mo ago
  They also built it out.

troad 7mo ago

> "We're unable to serve this website without compromising your privacy... " More accurately, "we do not have the staff or funds to figure out what every single random law around the globe requires of us, and since foreign countries are not a realistic advertising market for a local Michigan newspaper, there's really no reason for us to try."

embedding-shape 7mo ago
Well, you don't have to do any of that stuff if you either are upfront about selling user data and ask if it's OK, or if you just don't do that stuff at all.
- troad 7mo ago
  European law imposes a great deal more obligations on a business than that. This claim is simplistic to the point of disingenuousness.
  - embedding-shape 7mo ago
    Since obviously there is no "European law" in the first place, I think it's pretty safe to assume you have no idea what you're talking about.
    - Ylpertnodi 7mo ago
      Interpol would like a word.
      - embedding-shape 7mo ago
        > Interpol would like a word. Also not a "European law" by any measure or understanding, that's a international organization that does police cooperation across the continent (and further), it isn't even a law enforcement agency... Not exactly sure how you could confuse that with laws, but here we are.
    - throwaway920102 7mo ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Services_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Services_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula... Here are three.
    - troad 7mo ago
      That would be rather surprising to the large number of law schools that teach European Law as a core subject, such as the Panthéon-Sorbonne (Droit européen), Bologna U (Diritto Europeo), and Humboldt U (Europarecht). Equally surprised would be the authors of very many legal books and journals, e.g. https://www.cambridge.org/core/browse-subjects/law/european-law https://www.cambridge.org/core/browse-subjects/law/european-...
charcircuit 7mo ago
>since foreign countries are not a realistic advertising market for a local Michigan newspaper This may be true for in house ads, but there are ad networks that already are able to personalize ads and have ad inventory for such foreign countries.

ataru 7mo ago

It's illegal for us to steal from you, so we won't invite you inside.

hypeatei 7mo ago

What does GDPR get you that browser settings and an extension don't? I'm genuinely curious how random websites refusing to serve content / spamming cookie banners is a good thing? The data download and removal side of GDPR seems useful for more "entrenched" use cases where you have an account and a long history on a service but... fly-by website visits should not be this heavily regulated. Blocking cookies and scripts is trivial.

colejohnson66 7mo ago
I should not need extensions for a business to respect my privacy. It's as simple as that. If you look at it through an equity angle, needing extensions relegates the negative effects to those that are already not "well off" — the technologically illiterate who don't know what to do or know someone who does.
- hypeatei 7mo ago
  So someone's refusal to make a couple clicks to install an extension necessitates: 1) millions of users having to click to get the annoying popup off their screen, 2) installing an extension to block those anyway, and 3) a more fractured internet where website operators outright refuse to serve content because of liability? I'd bet a very large sum of money that the technologically illiterate don't read anything on those popups and click "Accept all cookies"
  - 3form 7mo ago
    How does someone's refusal to install an extension necessitate millions of users having to close the popup? I guess you mean someone as in "vast majority of population"?
- Minor49er 7mo ago
  Why is the government making efforts to increase technological literacy not an option?
  - 7mo ago

DeathArrow 7mo ago

Or "we don't care about respecting stupid laws in your country. If you don't like being blocked, take the issue to your politicians."

embedding-shape 7mo ago
But that's the thing, making them outright say "we don't care about respecting stupid laws in your country" (which for us means "we need to continue to be able to sell user data without notifying we do this") is not an "issue", that's the whole benefit of it in the first place. Anyways, it sounds like a win-win here, they get to not care, and we get to be rejected with clear reasons why, so again, benefits all around.