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Are blocking unlawful? I don't think so. Their country their rules. Business-wise it's risky to deliver your service from IPs that also serves dirty content. T

Are blocking unlawful? I don't think so. Their country their rules. Business-wise it's risky to deliver your service from IPs that also serves dirty content. Technical solutions exists, even if you want to stay on Cloudflare.

drob518 6mo ago
But it also highlights the fact that the idea of blocking “dirty IPs” is at best a blunt instrument. Every ISP has abusers. Some are worse than others at self-policing their customers. Cloudflare is reputable and better than most. Given the huge breadth of sites sitting behind Cloudflare, it’s crazy, IMO, to block all of Cloudflare.
- direwolf20 6mo ago
  In other countries, like Italy, they made a system where domain names are fast-tracked for blocking within minutes. I hate to say it but Spain managed to do something even worse.
- cryptonym 6mo ago
  It does not block all of cloudflare, it blocks their shared IPs. If you are doing serious business you may not want to do it on IPs that are also used for shady content. IP reputation is a well known strategy, used by emails and other firewalls.
  - drob518 6mo ago
    Okay, so they aren’t blocking whole ranges. Yea, you definitely don’t want to share an IP with a spammer or malware site. I thought they were blocking whole ranges.
direwolf20 6mo ago
Country-wise it's risky to block the entire internet when football is on.
- cryptonym 6mo ago
  1 - Cloudflare is not the entire internet. 2 - They close people who decide to go with a cheap/free shared host. Solutions exist if this market is important to your business.
  - saintfire 6mo ago
    Just a small 30% of the top 10k sites. Needing to find solutions to a problem completely manufactured by sports and television is the problem.
    - cryptonym 6mo ago
      Cloudflare is a private company, they might (unwillingly) benefit from hosting illegal services. They don't implement a quick or proactive process to take down content that is obviously illegal. The money made by illegal streaming websites doesn't end in good pockets, which raises further concerns. Such streaming is quickly spawn for the event, then disappear. Even if you fight them legally after the event, they operate from countries that won't cooperate. Cloudflare could change their policy to take down quickly obvious abuse during live events. They could proactively check new customers before allowing public traffic. People can vote against protecting property if they think it creates unreasonable effects. Not sure where you got your stats but top website owners can easily deploy technical solutions to this issue. We live in a complex word. This problem is not completely manufactured by bad people at sports and television companies. What should right owners do? Accept that content they own is streamed illegally, for profit, and not use recourses the law provides?

drob518 6mo ago

But it also highlights the fact that the idea of blocking “dirty IPs” is at best a blunt instrument. Every ISP has abusers. Some are worse than others at self-policing their customers. Cloudflare is reputable and better than most. Given the huge breadth of sites sitting behind Cloudflare, it’s crazy, IMO, to block all of Cloudflare.

direwolf20 6mo ago
In other countries, like Italy, they made a system where domain names are fast-tracked for blocking within minutes. I hate to say it but Spain managed to do something even worse.
cryptonym 6mo ago
It does not block all of cloudflare, it blocks their shared IPs. If you are doing serious business you may not want to do it on IPs that are also used for shady content. IP reputation is a well known strategy, used by emails and other firewalls.
- drob518 6mo ago
  Okay, so they aren’t blocking whole ranges. Yea, you definitely don’t want to share an IP with a spammer or malware site. I thought they were blocking whole ranges.

direwolf20 6mo ago

Country-wise it's risky to block the entire internet when football is on.

cryptonym 6mo ago
1 - Cloudflare is not the entire internet. 2 - They close people who decide to go with a cheap/free shared host. Solutions exist if this market is important to your business.
- saintfire 6mo ago
  Just a small 30% of the top 10k sites. Needing to find solutions to a problem completely manufactured by sports and television is the problem.
  - cryptonym 6mo ago
    Cloudflare is a private company, they might (unwillingly) benefit from hosting illegal services. They don't implement a quick or proactive process to take down content that is obviously illegal. The money made by illegal streaming websites doesn't end in good pockets, which raises further concerns. Such streaming is quickly spawn for the event, then disappear. Even if you fight them legally after the event, they operate from countries that won't cooperate. Cloudflare could change their policy to take down quickly obvious abuse during live events. They could proactively check new customers before allowing public traffic. People can vote against protecting property if they think it creates unreasonable effects. Not sure where you got your stats but top website owners can easily deploy technical solutions to this issue. We live in a complex word. This problem is not completely manufactured by bad people at sports and television companies. What should right owners do? Accept that content they own is streamed illegally, for profit, and not use recourses the law provides?