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The billionaires will blanket the airwaves with bad-faith argument ads and you will lose.

by abenga 6mo ago

JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
> billionaires will blanket the airwaves with bad-faith argument ads and you will lose This is a long way to say you don’t have the votes. Airwaves affect turnout. They don’t flip people on positions.
- vkou 6mo ago
  > They don’t flip people on positions. They absolutely do. On September 12, 2001, ~nobody in the United States was interested in starting a war with Iraq. Two years of propaganda later, and all of a sudden, half the population had acquired keen geopolitical insights which necessitated an invasion and occupation of a country that had exactly fuck-all to do with 9/11. A decade later, all of a sudden, nobody wanted to fess up to wanting anything to do with that mess. Public wants aren't discovered in some interference-free democratic vacuum. The people who own the press put a millstone on their side of the scales.
  - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
    > Two years of propaganda later, and all of a sudden, half the population had acquired keen geopolitical insights which necessitated an invasion and occupation of a country that had exactly fuck-all to do with 9/11 There was desire for vengeance on 12 September. Reporting and politicians channeled it. That’s very different from driving consensus against something people would otherwise support.
    - vkou 6mo ago
      You're proving my point. The thumb was put on the scale, he public was bombarded 24/7 with self-serving false dichotomies and viola, you've just manufactured mass public support for insane bullshit. It works the same way in other countries too. Look at any country that you believe to believe in insane shit - most of those beliefs aren't organic. Neither are the insane things you believe in. It's just that you can't even see that they aren't the product of your own reasoning. Fish don't have a word for water.
      - cruffle_duffle 6mo ago
        > You're proving my point. The thumb was put on the scale, he public was bombarded 24/7 with self-serving false dichotomies and viola, you've just manufactured mass public support for insane bullshit. See also Covid-19. Same shit only waaaaaaay more batshit insane and waaaaaaaay more crazy 24-7 fear mongering.

The billionaires will blanket the airwaves with bad-faith argument ads and you will lose.

by abenga 6mo ago

The billionaires will blanket the airwaves with bad-faith argument ads and you will lose.

> billionaires will blanket the airwaves with bad-faith argument ads and you will lose This is a long way to say you don’t have the votes. Airwaves affect turnout. They don’t flip people on positions.

vkou 6mo ago
> They don’t flip people on positions. They absolutely do. On September 12, 2001, ~nobody in the United States was interested in starting a war with Iraq. Two years of propaganda later, and all of a sudden, half the population had acquired keen geopolitical insights which necessitated an invasion and occupation of a country that had exactly fuck-all to do with 9/11. A decade later, all of a sudden, nobody wanted to fess up to wanting anything to do with that mess. Public wants aren't discovered in some interference-free democratic vacuum. The people who own the press put a millstone on their side of the scales.
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
  > Two years of propaganda later, and all of a sudden, half the population had acquired keen geopolitical insights which necessitated an invasion and occupation of a country that had exactly fuck-all to do with 9/11 There was desire for vengeance on 12 September. Reporting and politicians channeled it. That’s very different from driving consensus against something people would otherwise support.
  - vkou 6mo ago
    You're proving my point. The thumb was put on the scale, he public was bombarded 24/7 with self-serving false dichotomies and viola, you've just manufactured mass public support for insane bullshit. It works the same way in other countries too. Look at any country that you believe to believe in insane shit - most of those beliefs aren't organic. Neither are the insane things you believe in. It's just that you can't even see that they aren't the product of your own reasoning. Fish don't have a word for water.
    - cruffle_duffle 6mo ago
      > You're proving my point. The thumb was put on the scale, he public was bombarded 24/7 with self-serving false dichotomies and viola, you've just manufactured mass public support for insane bullshit. See also Covid-19. Same shit only waaaaaaay more batshit insane and waaaaaaaay more crazy 24-7 fear mongering.