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This is one of the only "nanny state" laws I find reasonable. People genuinely need saving from themselves.

tomjen3 14y ago
It is not really a nanny state law when it exist to protect other people from you. It just should be all distracted driving in general. Oh the shit I saw when I took my driving lessons, and right in front of a car clearly marked too.
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noonespecial 14y ago
I don't consider it a nanny state law. Its not you I want saved from you, its me. Even with insurance, most people are not prepared (or often required) to bear the full cost of the damage they can cause with their cars. Because they cannot shoulder the responsibility, they should not be allowed to take the risk. They are risking other peoples' property (and lives) for their own stupid behavior. We don't let people drive as fast as they want or ignore stop signs for the same reason.
- pyrotechnick 14y ago
  Of course this depends on your definition of "nanny state". Here my definition is: laws that cover specific behaviour otherwise already covered by law. I'm no lawyer but can I imagine it has all kinds of fancy things written about it in Latin. Maybe http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_specialis_derogat_legi_generali http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_specialis_derogat_legi_general... or http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejusdem_generis http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejusdem_generis
  - noonespecial 14y ago
    Sometimes the law covers something, but only thinly. The law in most states in the USA(1) surely states that any damage you cause should be paid in recompense. So technically "distracted driving" is "covered by existing law". In practice this does not work out. Its easy to be in an accident that causes more damage than an individual's net worth and insurance coverage combined. If the only people allowed to drive cars were the ones able to afford enough insurance to guarantee recompense(2) in any situation, there would be very few cars on the road indeed. So sometimes existing laws need "helping", as imperfect as that may be. Society subsidizes the risk in exchange for a little cooperation to reduce that risk. (1) Excepting all of that "no fault" nonsense that a few try to monkey-patch into working. (2) It gets even more complicated when people die.
    - pyrotechnick 14y ago
      So sometimes existing laws need "helping", as imperfect as that may be. Sounds like you've been indoctrinated good and proper. I'll write this one off as job creation. If the only people who were allowed to drive cars were the ones able to afford enough insurance to guarantee recompense(2) in any situation, there would be very few cars on the road indeed. I fear you've severely underestimated the nanny-ness of the state I'm referring to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_insurance#Australia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_insurance#Australia Nevertheless, the "helping" you refer to isn't helping in reality. The first layer making it illegal doesn't work. Neither do the others layered over that.
      - noonespecial 14y ago
        I'm not entirely closed to your point of view. I admit to playing a bit of devil's advocate in the above but, dude: Sounds like you've been indoctrinated good and proper. That kind of thing just shuts debate off cold.
        pyrotechnick 14y ago
        Only if you let it. Sometimes God needs an advocate too :)

It is not really a nanny state law when it exist to protect other people from you. It just should be all distracted driving in general. Oh the shit I saw when I took my driving lessons, and right in front of a car clearly marked too.

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noonespecial 14y ago

I don't consider it a nanny state law. Its not you I want saved from you, its me. Even with insurance, most people are not prepared (or often required) to bear the full cost of the damage they can cause with their cars. Because they cannot shoulder the responsibility, they should not be allowed to take the risk. They are risking other peoples' property (and lives) for their own stupid behavior. We don't let people drive as fast as they want or ignore stop signs for the same reason.

pyrotechnick 14y ago
Of course this depends on your definition of "nanny state". Here my definition is: laws that cover specific behaviour otherwise already covered by law. I'm no lawyer but can I imagine it has all kinds of fancy things written about it in Latin. Maybe http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_specialis_derogat_legi_generali http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_specialis_derogat_legi_general... or http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejusdem_generis http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejusdem_generis
- noonespecial 14y ago
  Sometimes the law covers something, but only thinly. The law in most states in the USA(1) surely states that any damage you cause should be paid in recompense. So technically "distracted driving" is "covered by existing law". In practice this does not work out. Its easy to be in an accident that causes more damage than an individual's net worth and insurance coverage combined. If the only people allowed to drive cars were the ones able to afford enough insurance to guarantee recompense(2) in any situation, there would be very few cars on the road indeed. So sometimes existing laws need "helping", as imperfect as that may be. Society subsidizes the risk in exchange for a little cooperation to reduce that risk. (1) Excepting all of that "no fault" nonsense that a few try to monkey-patch into working. (2) It gets even more complicated when people die.
  - pyrotechnick 14y ago
    So sometimes existing laws need "helping", as imperfect as that may be. Sounds like you've been indoctrinated good and proper. I'll write this one off as job creation. If the only people who were allowed to drive cars were the ones able to afford enough insurance to guarantee recompense(2) in any situation, there would be very few cars on the road indeed. I fear you've severely underestimated the nanny-ness of the state I'm referring to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_insurance#Australia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_insurance#Australia Nevertheless, the "helping" you refer to isn't helping in reality. The first layer making it illegal doesn't work. Neither do the others layered over that.
    - noonespecial 14y ago
      I'm not entirely closed to your point of view. I admit to playing a bit of devil's advocate in the above but, dude: Sounds like you've been indoctrinated good and proper. That kind of thing just shuts debate off cold.
      - pyrotechnick 14y ago
        Only if you let it. Sometimes God needs an advocate too :)