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by achierius 6mo ago

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tptacek 6mo ago
I have never once seen someone on HN express happiness that someone was killed in a drive-by gang shooting.
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
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  - akerl_ 6mo ago
    I think the point was that people are willing to be happy about this happening to tech CEOs but would not express the same about a gang shooting.
- fzeroracer 6mo ago
  I saw this all the time when ICE was doing their business in Minneapolis. That was only a few months ago and it doesn't take too long to dig and find some truly odious posts.
- achierius 6mo ago
  Well for one, nobody was killed here. But second of all, sure -- because Hacker News are not the class of people involved in drive-by gang shootings; to most of us they are essentially abstractions, barely more real than the trolley problem. If you went around asking people who knew a guy that was shot, you'd eventually find someone who said he had it coming -- he got involved with the wrong guys, he shot at one of them first, he did something he shouldn't have (a common thread: the livelihood of the people involved). This is obviously atrocious: nobody should go around shooting people on the streets. But we can recognize that both are playing with fire, and understand the violence in that context -- such that the solution to gang violence is not, "moralize at the gang members until they stop shooting eachother", but rather "improve socio-economic conditions until they stop wanting to". So yes, there are elements of HN's population that will cheer these events on. But this should not be surprising -- the ruling class is playing with fire.
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cindyllm 6mo ago
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leaves83829 6mo ago
but we haven't even proven that AI will destroy vast amounts of jobs. Some, sure, junior software engineers are in trouble. but other then that, do we really have any quantified evidence as to how many jobs have been displaced by AI? i've been looking for numbers on this but it all seems murky and wishy washy. i'm open to be convinced, if anyone's got numbers. also, if the worst case scenario does happen and most of the population finds itself without money. there are other ways to live with very little money.
- happytoexplain 6mo ago
  >[if] most of the population finds itself without money. there are other ways to live with very little money. This is even more hideous than expressions of approval for individual violence. This is a dystopian acquiescence.
  - leaves83829 6mo ago
    examples include: Great depression, third world countries like ghana, south africa, etc (and countries that have collapsed like syria), also the hazda tribe and other native tribes untouched by technology, as well as other similar to human mammalian species that share our planet like monkeys, apes, chenobos, all are able to survive without money albeit with more favorable climate/physiology.
    - tavavex 6mo ago
      Because the parent accused you of acquiescence and you just replied with a list of examples to follow, I don't think you understood what they meant. In the worst-case world, there is still more than enough wealth and work done to provide the bare minimum quality of life to everyone. The automation of most occupations would lower the bar of creating the simplest food supplies and homes even more. But, in that horrific world, the elite class would say "lol no" and use that wealth to live in paradise, away from everyone else, while the rest are left with almost nothing. The parent is saying that your immediate reaction is depressing, because instead of anger or even disapproval, your instinct is to put your head down and reason that you and all the future generations should just live like a monkey, forever.
catcowcostume 6mo ago
Why is this comment flagged? It's not advocating violence just asking why some violence is actively opposed while others are ignored
hackable_sand 6mo ago
The manufactured consent is very creepy. The same thing happened with Kirk. Everyone standing up to "mourn" a neo-nazi, fake tears, rolling with the grift. Rolling with the white supremacist grindbox. It's gross.

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tptacek 6mo ago

I have never once seen someone on HN express happiness that someone was killed in a drive-by gang shooting.

JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
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- akerl_ 6mo ago
  I think the point was that people are willing to be happy about this happening to tech CEOs but would not express the same about a gang shooting.
fzeroracer 6mo ago
I saw this all the time when ICE was doing their business in Minneapolis. That was only a few months ago and it doesn't take too long to dig and find some truly odious posts.
achierius 6mo ago
Well for one, nobody was killed here. But second of all, sure -- because Hacker News are not the class of people involved in drive-by gang shootings; to most of us they are essentially abstractions, barely more real than the trolley problem. If you went around asking people who knew a guy that was shot, you'd eventually find someone who said he had it coming -- he got involved with the wrong guys, he shot at one of them first, he did something he shouldn't have (a common thread: the livelihood of the people involved). This is obviously atrocious: nobody should go around shooting people on the streets. But we can recognize that both are playing with fire, and understand the violence in that context -- such that the solution to gang violence is not, "moralize at the gang members until they stop shooting eachother", but rather "improve socio-economic conditions until they stop wanting to". So yes, there are elements of HN's population that will cheer these events on. But this should not be surprising -- the ruling class is playing with fire.

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cindyllm 6mo ago

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leaves83829 6mo ago

but we haven't even proven that AI will destroy vast amounts of jobs. Some, sure, junior software engineers are in trouble. but other then that, do we really have any quantified evidence as to how many jobs have been displaced by AI? i've been looking for numbers on this but it all seems murky and wishy washy. i'm open to be convinced, if anyone's got numbers. also, if the worst case scenario does happen and most of the population finds itself without money. there are other ways to live with very little money.

happytoexplain 6mo ago
>[if] most of the population finds itself without money. there are other ways to live with very little money. This is even more hideous than expressions of approval for individual violence. This is a dystopian acquiescence.
- leaves83829 6mo ago
  examples include: Great depression, third world countries like ghana, south africa, etc (and countries that have collapsed like syria), also the hazda tribe and other native tribes untouched by technology, as well as other similar to human mammalian species that share our planet like monkeys, apes, chenobos, all are able to survive without money albeit with more favorable climate/physiology.
  - tavavex 6mo ago
    Because the parent accused you of acquiescence and you just replied with a list of examples to follow, I don't think you understood what they meant. In the worst-case world, there is still more than enough wealth and work done to provide the bare minimum quality of life to everyone. The automation of most occupations would lower the bar of creating the simplest food supplies and homes even more. But, in that horrific world, the elite class would say "lol no" and use that wealth to live in paradise, away from everyone else, while the rest are left with almost nothing. The parent is saying that your immediate reaction is depressing, because instead of anger or even disapproval, your instinct is to put your head down and reason that you and all the future generations should just live like a monkey, forever.

catcowcostume 6mo ago

Why is this comment flagged? It's not advocating violence just asking why some violence is actively opposed while others are ignored

hackable_sand 6mo ago

The manufactured consent is very creepy. The same thing happened with Kirk. Everyone standing up to "mourn" a neo-nazi, fake tears, rolling with the grift. Rolling with the white supremacist grindbox. It's gross.